What would it take?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I think the reason so many don't wait to immigrate legally is because it is an already complicated and overwhelming process that often takes a long time. Imagine living in one of those border cities in Mexico where the death toll is insane thanks to the constant fighting, hell I'm sure there are families that have already seen too much death on a regular basis. Should they have to wait a year or two or however long it takes to process the application and go through the vetting? On top of that they might have already tried and gotten turned down. Then what? I guess they are just stuck living in whatever cartel dominated country they reside in, and they just have to live their lives hoping a stray bullet doesn't catch them on the way to the grocery store?

Point is, are we really going to sit here and act like our legal immigration system isn't overwhelmed with applications? Look at the state of the rest of the world. Why doesn't Trump fix that instead of building a wall?

Mooby mooby mooby....our you saying our extremely generous immigration policy where we welcome so many per year is the problem? Ive never heard any complaints and really non from the Mexican Gov't..???

The main reason folks are crossing illegally is Cartel violence?

Mooby, buddy.....I gotta give you the "come on man!" for this post.

If there is any restrictions directly from Mexico or problems, its caused by the Mexican Government and there own problem with illegal immigration. Remember, a lot of folks are illegally crossing over from central and south America into Mexico to then travel to the US border only to be trafficked into the US illegally or crossing over themselves. If its any delay its trying to vet IDs, nationalities, etc.

Our legal immigration policy is fine...I don't think there is an issue. Sorry, but 9/11 changed a lot of things, but we still do a tremendous job in accepting a lot of people into this country...which IM 110% for.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mooby mooby mooby....our you saying our extremely generous immigration policy where we welcome so many per year is the problem? Ive never heard any complaints and really non from the Mexican Gov't..???

The main reason folks are crossing illegally is Cartel violence?

Mooby, buddy.....I gotta give you the "come on man!" for this post.

If there is any restrictions directly from Mexico or problems, its caused by the Mexican Government and there own problem with illegal immigration. Remember, a lot of folks are illegally crossing over from central and south America into Mexico to then travel to the US border only to be trafficked into the US illegally or crossing over themselves. If its any delay its trying to vet IDs, nationalities, etc.

Our legal immigration policy is fine...I don't think there is an issue. Sorry, but 9/11 changed a lot of things, but we still do a tremendous job in accepting a lot of people into this country...which IM 110% for.

I'm not gonna debate the numbers of legal immigrants we let in this country. I am saying the branch of gov't responsible for vetting applicants probably has so many applicants on their hands that people will be stuck waiting for years to get in. Put yourself in their hands. If you had to go the legal route and wait for who-knows how long and not even know for sure whether you will get in or not, or alternatively you could save up as much money as possible and catch a ride to the border, to potentially save your kids from growing up in whatever 3rd world country you live in, you wouldn't?

The worst that happens is you will get deported if you get caught, barring you having a criminal record of course. People's lives are at stake. The drug war in Mexico has claimed huge amounts of lives, some of which are certainly innocent people caught in the crossfire. South American countries have no jobs, no hope, rampant corruption, a weak economy, violence from various factions, and you think people should just suck it up and play the legal waiting game?

I get it Chico, you got your own problems and your own shit to deal with, who fucking cares about their problems until they come to your country and make it your problem? That's the burden of being the main country on Earth where everyone who doesn't live here thinks is the solution to their problems.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I'm not gonna debate the numbers of legal immigrants we let in this country. I am saying the branch of gov't responsible for vetting applicants probably has so many applicants on their hands that people will be stuck waiting for years to get in. Put yourself in their hands. If you had to go the legal route and wait for who-knows how long and not even know for sure whether you will get in or not, or alternatively you could save up as much money as possible and catch a ride to the border, to potentially save your kids from growing up in whatever 3rd world country you live in, you wouldn't?

The worst that happens is you will get deported if you get caught, barring you having a criminal record of course. People's lives are at stake. The drug war in Mexico has claimed huge amounts of lives, some of which are certainly innocent people caught in the crossfire. South American countries have no jobs, no hope, rampant corruption, a weak economy, violence from various factions, and you think people should just suck it up and play the legal waiting game?

I get it Chico, you got your own problems and your own shit to deal with, who fucking cares about their problems until they come to your country and make it your problem? That's the burden of being the main country on Earth where everyone who doesn't live here thinks is the solution to their problems.

Mooby, lets just demand people who really want to be here do the right things to get legal status to be here. Is that too much to ask? Do you think a lot of these illegals give a flying fuck really about this country? Its a paycheck to them.

What about the tax money we spend to provide services to illegals? What about all the money made here to support the Mexican economy back home?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mooby, lets just demand people who really want to be here do the right things to get legal status to be here. Is that too much to ask? Do you think a lot of these illegals give a flying fuck really about this country? Its a paycheck to them.

What about the tax money we spend to provide services to illegals? What about all the money made here to support the Mexican economy back home?

I understand that some portion (the percentage is up for debate) of my tax dollars is going to supporting services that illegal immigrants use. Which sucks. But part of my tax dollars are also wasted by government abuse. I'd say let's make a big deal out of that, but I already know the answer is "well that's what Trump means by drain the swamp." If draining the swamp means all of his advisers are coming from the private sector they already got rich off of, so be it. If draining the swamp means deregulating every industry they can think of "so the economy will get a boost" whatever. I'm not banking on getting any improvement out of it anyways.

Back to the original point at hand, you are lying to yourself if you think families and people come to America from 3rd world countries thinking "who cares about this place, it's just a paycheck." It's not just a paycheck. It's a better life. It's knowing your kids can play in the street without being exposed to violence. It's still a hard life, but it's almost certainly better then the one they left behind. It's just a goddamn shame you lump them in with the illegal immigrants that come here solely on behalf of whatever gang/cartel they represent, and are basically looking for easy money selling drugs/human trafficking/etc. Those are the ones we should be focusing on getting rid of, not the hard working families trying to raise their kids on a decent paycheck. It's not as black and white as you want to make it out.

And don't even start on terrorist Muslims getting in, lord knows more mass murder incidents have happened in America since 9/11 by the hand of insane white people. Why doesn't he ban Saudi Arabia immigrants from coming here, since 19 of those fuckers were responsible for 9/11? What about Egyptian immigrants? What's the excuse for them?

I get it, you want immigrants to come here legally and pay taxes like the rest of us. I would fucking love it if that happened too. But here's my final question. If Trump truly makes America great again, what do you think is going to happen? Right now the idea that America is the greatest country on Earth is just an illusion, and they're still coming in. Imagine if we truly were the greatest country on Earth again, people from every 3rd world country out there would be pouring in by the boatload. We'd make the immigrant situation in Europe look like nothing in comparison.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I understand that some portion (the percentage is up for debate) of my tax dollars is going to supporting services that illegal immigrants use. Which sucks. But part of my tax dollars are also wasted by government abuse. I'd say let's make a big deal out of that, but I already know the answer is "well that's what Trump means by drain the swamp." If draining the swamp means all of his advisers are coming from the private sector they already got rich off of, so be it. If draining the swamp means deregulating every industry they can think of "so the economy will get a boost" whatever. I'm not banking on getting any improvement out of it anyways.

Back to the original point at hand, you are lying to yourself if you think families and people come to America from 3rd world countries thinking "who cares about this place, it's just a paycheck." It's not just a paycheck. It's a better life. It's knowing your kids can play in the street without being exposed to violence. It's still a hard life, but it's almost certainly better then the one they left behind. It's just a goddamn shame you lump them in with the illegal immigrants that come here solely on behalf of whatever gang/cartel they represent, and are basically looking for easy money selling drugs/human trafficking/etc. Those are the ones we should be focusing on getting rid of, not the hard working families trying to raise their kids on a decent paycheck. It's not as black and white as you want to make it out.

And don't even start on terrorist Muslims getting in, lord knows more mass murder incidents have happened in America since 9/11 by the hand of insane white people. Why doesn't he ban Saudi Arabia immigrants from coming here, since 19 of those fuckers were responsible for 9/11? What about Egyptian immigrants? What's the excuse for them?

I get it, you want immigrants to come here legally and pay taxes like the rest of us. I would fucking love it if that happened too. But here's my final question. If Trump truly makes America great again, what do you think is going to happen? Right now the idea that America is the greatest country on Earth is just an illusion, and they're still coming in. Imagine if we truly were the greatest country on Earth again, people from every 3rd world country out there would be pouring in by the boatload. We'd make the immigrant situation in Europe look like nothing in comparison.

we will just disagree.

And when you mention tax money wasted, of course it is. Look at the growth of government...We def need less government at every level...Federal, State, and local.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

we will just disagree.

And when you mention tax money wasted, of course it is. Look at the growth of government...We def need less government at every level...Federal, State, and local.

Fair enough.