Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

No I meant more along the lines of a true franchise qb, like a Manning or a Brees. I like Kirk, don't get me wrong, but there were still doubts last offseason about him being a true franchise qb, and Matt Cassel was decent in '09 (iirc correctly that was the year he was coming off the 11-5 season for the Pats) but he wasn't "elite qb decent."

Not sure I'm following your point. True franchise quarterbacks don't get the franchise tag? So, Kirk Cousins isn't franchise quarterback material?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Not sure I'm following your point. True franchise quarterbacks don't get the franchise tag? So, Kirk Cousins isn't franchise quarterback material?

No, my point is when a truly elite qb like a Manning or Brees has their contract about to expire, they get exclusive franchise tags. I assume Kirk will get a non-exclusive tag just because that's what they did last year. If they don't even want to entertain offers he will get the exclusive tag though.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

No, my point is when a truly elite qb like a Manning or Brees has their contract about to expire, they get exclusive franchise tags. I assume Kirk will get a non-exclusive tag just because that's what they did last year. If they don't even want to entertain offers he will get the exclusive tag though.

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

OK. That I agree with. Either way I think he gets tagged. Is it the smartest move to make on Cousins? I dunno? There is some doubt with Cousins, but there's also doubt with anybody not named Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, or Drew Brees. Cousins is a good enough quarterback. Mark Rypien was never elite, nor did I ever really think of him as a franchise quarterback, yet he had that one masterful year that ended in a Super Bowl victory and him as Super Bowl MVP. Right now, we Redskins fans would most certainly welcome at least ONE Super Bowl winning year.

With the history of this franchise since the 80's, we've won Super Bowls based on a well-rounded team, not just a super star quarterback. In fact, I don't really believe we have ever had an elite quarterback since the 70's, so winning Super Bowls with a good quarterback (but not great) is OK with me so as long as we get there.

Is it the smartest move? When the probable alternative is every qb since Rypien not named Brad Johnson yes it is IMO. Maybe if we had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings I'd let him walk.

Here's your options if you're the FO:

A. Resign Kirk, AAV around 25 mil a year probably, still have plenty of room to improve the team elsewhere.
B. Start career backup Colt McCoy, or that long term project car rebuild named Nate Sudfeld and pray he's the next Brady.
C. Draft a qb. out of this weak draft class, potentially moving up to get the one you want or settling for a weak option you feel that you have no choice but to get because you don't want to waste a season with a hole at qb. Either way, most likely you are wasting the next 2+ seasons as he learns how difficult it is being a qb in the modern NFL.
D. Trade for or sign another qb. Note that most available qb's already in the NFL are being discarded by their current teams because they aren't good enough for one reason or another.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Is it the smartest move? When the probable alternative is every qb since Rypien not named Brad Johnson yes it is IMO. Maybe if we had Phillip Rivers waiting in the wings I'd let him walk.

Here's your options if you're the FO:

A. Resign Kirk, AAV around 25 mil a year probably, still have plenty of room to improve the team elsewhere.
B. Start career backup Colt McCoy, or that long term project car rebuild named Nate Sudfeld and pray he's the next Brady.
C. Draft a qb. out of this weak draft class, potentially moving up to get the one you want or settling for a weak option you feel that you have no choice but to get because you don't want to waste a season with a hole at qb. Either way, most likely you are wasting the next 2+ seasons as he learns how difficult it is being a qb in the modern NFL.
D. Trade for or sign another qb. Note that most available qb's already in the NFL are being discarded by their current teams because they aren't good enough for one reason or another.

Like I said before, if there was some sort of trade with Phillip Rivers, I would consider that. I know we'd only have Rivers for a few seasons, but he's a proven franchise quarterback who (I believe) doesn't want to play in LA. Other than that, I really hate the idea of starting Colt McCoy or Nate S. Colt is a solid backup, but I don't believe is starting material. Either way, we'd see Nate in there before the season is over with.

Either the front office is playing this so genius that none of us can see it, or they're going to wind up playing it stupidly. I'd like to think we're past the Vinny Cerrato days and that the 'skins are merely waiting until closer to the deadline to cry uncle and give Cousins what he wants.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Like I said before, if there was some sort of trade with Phillip Rivers, I would consider that. I know we'd only have Rivers for a few seasons, but he's a proven franchise quarterback who (I believe) doesn't want to play in LA. Other than that, I really hate the idea of starting Colt McCoy or Nate S. Colt is a solid backup, but I don't believe is starting material. Either way, we'd see Nate in there before the season is over with.

Either the front office is playing this so genius that none of us can see it, or they're going to wind up playing it stupidly. I'd like to think we're past the Vinny Cerrato days and that the 'skins are merely waiting until closer to the deadline to cry uncle and give Cousins what he wants.

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

When was the last true time that we had to make a big money deal on a QB?

Was it Mark Brunell, or was it Jeff George? And this isn't a joke question, i'm saying when was the last time we had a situation like this where we were trying to sign a starting QB to big time money?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The front office has said that he's going to be here, and also implied that it will be a long term deal. I think most of the fretting is that we are simply used to the front office botching this.

I also think that once the ink is dry the warpath en masse will be ticked at how much we paid. I continue to expect a minimum of 65Million guaranteed, and a 6 year 140M deal.

The numbers will make some heads here explode.

Yes, it is incredible how much money NFL teams will pay for a QB now. My head won't explode but I may throw up - and I usually side with the players on money matters.

It's just terrible what a huge QB contract can do to a team's salary cap.