Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[mooby]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Nobody wrote anything in this thread about Kirk taking less money before you posted.

What does that have anything to do with anything? Are we not allowed to discuss it? I get it, you think Kirk is a whiny bitch for possibly even considering the excuse that he played poorly against the Giants because of the pressure of the upcoming negotiations. My point is, his agent probably won't even consider taking less money because the qb frat in the NFL demands he get market value. It's possible for two separate points to exist about the same discussion. If you don't like hearing about it, ignore it, like I do with your posts.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

What does that have anything to do with anything? Are we not allowed to discuss it? I get it, you think Kirk is a whiny bitch for possibly even considering the excuse that he played poorly against the Giants because of the pressure of the upcoming negotiations. My point is, his agent probably won't even consider taking less money because the qb frat in the NFL demands he get market value. It's possible for two separate points to exist about the same discussion. If you don't like hearing about it, ignore it, like I do with your posts.

if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny

How many comeback wins did he have when he took over from RG3? ...

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

if that is true, what is he going to do under the pressure of an nfc championship game? . . . or superbowl? . . . thats a hell of a lot more pressure than his contract negotiations or whining about whether or not his management wants him . . . i call bull shit on that thinking . . . and if i'm wrong, then i don't want kirk here as that means he can't perform under pressure or scrutiny

You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.

I'm sure KC can handle that kind of pressure, he did when he took over, in 2015 how do you call that 7-3 record after the bye, with a 4 wins streak at the end of the season to get us to the playoffs? In your first season as a starter, I call that handling the pressure pretty well...

One bad game doesn't speak about your ability to handle the pressure through your whole career... Even Aaron Rodgers f'd up in some big games...

Cooley said the other day there was another QB, who people told, at the beginning of his career, that he couldn't win the big games, couldn't handle the pressure... his name is Peyton Manning.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I'm sure KC can handle that kind of pressure, he did when he took over, in 2015 how do you call that 7-3 record after the bye, with a 4 wins streak at the end of the season to get us to the playoffs? In your first season as a starter, I call that handling the pressure pretty well...

One bad game doesn't speak about your ability to handle the pressure through your whole career... Even Aaron Rodgers f'd up in some big games...

Cooley said the other day there was another QB, who people told, at the beginning of his career, that he couldn't win the big games, couldn't handle the pressure... his name is Peyton Manning.

Great post. Aaron Rodgers at times this past season looked "done".

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

You willing to wait an eternity to find the 4-5 guys available in the world right now that can handle championship-winning pressure? Regardless of your argument Kirk represents the best solution at this current time.

isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.

The Ravens won a SB with Joe Flacco. Hell, the niners almost won with Colin freakin' Kaepernick! Isn't KC way better than the second and at the very least slightly better than the first ?

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The Ravens won a SB with Joe Flacco. Hell, the niners almost won with Colin freakin' Kaepernick! Isn't KC way better than the second and at the very least slightly better than the first ?

Flacco has been stellar in the playoffs . . . and his playoff play is why he has a huge contract . . . again, i'm not the one saying he folds under pressure . . . but if he can't handle the pressure of a contract negotiation in which he makes a MINIMUM of 24 million for a year, then no way he handles the pressure of a game like a conference championship or super bowl . . . i personally don't think his lack of contract had anything to do whatsoever with his play in the last game, he just had a shitty game like he has at times over his career . . . everyone has them, hell Brady had a horrible game going in the superbowl this year until the 4th quarter.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

isn't that the whole goal? i certainly would rather wait than sit in mediocrity . . . if he can't handle the pressure (and I didn't say he couldn't, just IF), then hell no, i want to win a championship . . . i was rooting in the 80's and remember 3 championships very clearly (well the first not as much), we certainly didn't have issues finding players that played up to the moment then.

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by mooby

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

Yop. Especially on offense. IIRC Defense did pretty much everything we could expect out of them at that point to put the offense in position to win. Even Trent Williams had an horrible game...

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by mooby

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

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[artmonkforhallofamein07]

To be fair the defense gave up 12 points in the giants game.

The offense let us down big time as a whole. Without that fumble return at the end to give them 19, two touchdowns out of our offense would have won the game

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Go ask the Cards, the Lions, and the Browns if waiting for the right qb is working out for them. I think you are forgetting football is a team sport, you can win a SB with a great team and a decent qb. We don't need Kirk to be the next Brady, which it seems is what you're asking for. You're also forgetting that those teams in the 80's played in a very different NFL than today. The rules today are geared towards higher scoring offenses which demand at minimum above-average qb play. Kirk has shown he can do that. Quit trying to blame the entire Giants game on him, the entire team looked bad that day.

Lions? They seem to have a pretty solid quarterback in Mathew Stafford.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Lions? They seem to have a pretty solid quarterback in Mathew Stafford.

I think he meant Bills, Jets, Rams.....IDK