Trouble in Redskins Park?

[MTK]

That's not my take at all.

I've said the team handled it as poorly as can be. The leaks are absolute bush league. Do I think McCloughan has a drinking problem? Yeah I think it's safe to say he does. Anyone denying that he's drinking is an absolute fool. By his own admission he never stopped, and it seems to be pretty common knowledge among players and reporters that he is a functioning drunk. Was that the reason for him getting fired? Probably not, it's likely a convenient excuse when the real problem stems from a power struggle between Allen and McC, and there's probably a lot more to the situation that we'll never know about.

It was a messy situation with a messy ending. I really can't think of any way it could have been resolved amicably and left the fans feeling ok with it. I don't think it's a terrible thing that Allen and McCloughan couldn't find a way to make things work, shit happens, but the way the team handled it was horrible and pretty classless.

[Schneed10]

Well said. I'm with Matty. It's not that we're not appalled, it's maybe that we're used to being appalled, and more focused on what comes next.

I am not happy but I keep more of an even keel. We haven't lost any games yet because of this mess. If we go 9-7 it will be hard for me to come down on Bruce. That's really maybe the crux of why I'm not going off the rails.

The idea of losing Kirk though would be upsetting though because it's hard to see getting back to 8-8.

[Schneed10]

By the way, I've said this many times but it bears repeating. You don't choose your team, your team chooses you. If you think it's possible to give up on the Redskins and root for another team, then you were never a fan in the first place.

[FlyerSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

By the way, I've said this many times but it bears repeating. You don't choose your team, your team chooses you. If you think it's possible to give up on the Redskins and root for another team, then you were never a fan in the first place.

How so? People can change teams easily. I mean a person can divorce his or her spouse if things get ugly, why can't a person do the same with a team? I mean a team is just an amusement vehicle if you will. Very few people have that strong of an emotional attachment to a team unless you don't have much of a personal life or have some real life connection with the team. If said team is no longer fun or amusing to watch after a certain period of time anybody can get tired of it and move on. If it isn't all that anymore, why hang around? You make this out to be a helluva lot more than what it really is, and that is entertainment. What value do you get out of the Redskins or any other sports team you watch? Win or lose it doesn't really affect your bottom line or your life, so what is the value of it all? It is just entertainment, and not that great I might add. It is no different if you don't like a TV show anymore, you quit watching it. The crap that just went down was moronic, but par for the course with Snyder, who seems to want constant chaos to keep the masses amused and the franchise in the news. It is a tactic made famous by celebrities over the last decade and a half. Any news is good news, whether it is good or bad, you are in the news. Thing is the tactic has run its course and is rather dull anymore, thus the reason many are really thinking about saying screw it. Also Snyder doesn't want to hire people that want to have some say in personnel matters, so how can this team really advance as long as he is the owner. More and more people are realizing that and are just getting bored with it all. It is like watching a bad rerun. Einstein said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result and the more this merry go round keeps going in circles, more and more people are starting to take the red pill. It is getting old and it really isn't all that anymore. Sort of like a dying romance if you will.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

How so? People can change teams easily. I mean a person can divorce his or her spouse if things get ugly, why can't a person do the same with a team? I mean a team is just an amusement vehicle if you will. Very few people have that strong of an emotional attachment to a team unless you don't have much of a personal life or have some real life connection with the team. If said team is no longer fun or amusing to watch after a certain period of time anybody can get tired of it and move on. If it isn't all that anymore, why hang around? You make this out to be a helluva lot more than what it really is, and that is entertainment. What value do you get out of the Redskins or any other sports team you watch? Win or lose it doesn't really affect your bottom line or your life, so what is the value of it all? It is just entertainment, and not that great I might add. It is no different if you don't like a TV show anymore, you quit watching it. The crap that just went down was moronic, but par for the course with Snyder, who seems to want constant chaos to keep the masses amused and the franchise in the news. It is a tactic made famous by celebrities over the last decade and a half. Any news is good news, whether it is good or bad, you are in the news. Thing is the tactic has run its course and is rather dull anymore, thus the reason many are really thinking about saying screw it. Also Snyder doesn't want to hire people that want to have some say in personnel matters, so how can this team really advance as long as he is the owner. More and more people are realizing that and are just getting bored with it all. It is like watching a bad rerun. Einstein said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result and the more this merry go round keeps going in circles, more and more people are starting to take the red pill. It is getting old and it really isn't all that anymore. Sort of like a dying romance if you will.

This. The only thing that has me holding on is Kirk Cousins. If he stays we win, if he goes we are back to sucking. I feel bad for the guys who never saw the Redskins at there best. I was hopeful Dan finally figured it out and backed away from any decision making but that apparently doesn't seem to be the case.


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[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Brody81

This. The only thing that has me holding on is Kirk Cousins. If he stays we win, if he goes we are back to sucking. I feel bad for the guys who never saw the Redskins at there best. I was hopeful Dan finally figured it out and backed away from any decision making but that apparently doesn't seem to be the case.


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My heart agrees with your post but my logic goes with Schneed.

I want to quit on the team too, and it seems like once Cousins is gone (HE WILL BE TRADED BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS), it makes it easy to just give them up, but Schneed is right. Being a redskins fan gets in you, and even though we know there is 100% no hope with Snyder as our owner, we will still tune in and watch every Sunday....

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

My heart agrees with your post but my logic goes with Schneed.



I want to quit on the team too, and it seems like once Cousins is gone (HE WILL BE TRADED BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS), it makes it easy to just give them up, but Schneed is right. Being a redskins fan gets in you, and even though we know there is 100% no hope with Snyder as our owner, we will still tune in and watch every Sunday....

Of course I will watch.. I just won't buy apparel, spend money going to games or brainwash my children.


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[metalskins]

Originally Posted by FlyerSkin

How so? People can change teams easily. I mean a person can divorce his or her spouse if things get ugly, why can't a person do the same with a team? I mean a team is just an amusement vehicle if you will. Very few people have that strong of an emotional attachment to a team unless you don't have much of a personal life or have some real life connection with the team. If said team is no longer fun or amusing to watch after a certain period of time anybody can get tired of it and move on. If it isn't all that anymore, why hang around? You make this out to be a helluva lot more than what it really is, and that is entertainment. What value do you get out of the Redskins or any other sports team you watch? Win or lose it doesn't really affect your bottom line or your life, so what is the value of it all? It is just entertainment, and not that great I might add. It is no different if you don't like a TV show anymore, you quit watching it. The crap that just went down was moronic, but par for the course with Snyder, who seems to want constant chaos to keep the masses amused and the franchise in the news. It is a tactic made famous by celebrities over the last decade and a half. Any news is good news, whether it is good or bad, you are in the news. Thing is the tactic has run its course and is rather dull anymore, thus the reason many are really thinking about saying screw it. Also Snyder doesn't want to hire people that want to have some say in personnel matters, so how can this team really advance as long as he is the owner. More and more people are realizing that and are just getting bored with it all. It is like watching a bad rerun. Einstein said that the definition of insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result and the more this merry go round keeps going in circles, more and more people are starting to take the red pill. It is getting old and it really isn't all that anymore. Sort of like a dying romance if you will.

I have a personal life. I happen to have a pretty important personal and professional life. I still have a pretty big emotional attachment to the team. So, try again partner.

[Chico23231]

Time to move on imo. this shit sandwich does taste familiar but all we can do is ride it out. Like others have said, focus on keeping cousins, hiring a competent gm, tie up loose ends in free agency and the draft.

[mooby]

The drinking was never in question with me. The question was, did it affect his job to the point where he had to be let go? I don't believe so, but we'll never know. I guess we just differ on where our patience with the team is. Mine is running thin. To borrow a phrase from a coworker, "there is no hope for me." I'm just not willing to fall in line with the tune again. This was as close as I've seen the Redskins being a competent franchise in all my years, and it shouldn't be a shocker that they screwed that up too. I guess I'm the sucker for believing things had changed.

Yeah I ain't going anywhere, and yeah I might get excited just as I do every year when football season starts up. But long term, I just don't have faith anymore. Especially if his replacement is someone who doesn't have success and experience in the field of talent evaluation (I'm looking at Doug Williams on this one.)

[Chico23231]

I'm really hoping we bring someone from the outside in as gm.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I'm really hoping we bring someone from the outside in as gm.

Bring back Charley Casserly, I know DS fired him but that's his best option.

[SFREDSKIN]

Here comes Sally who's never been a fan of Danny:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.93b1c8cd9d91

[Kope]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Bring back Charley Casserly, I know DS fired him but that's his best option.

I disagree. He was the GM for us from 89 to 99. 99 being the only year he had a really good draft. The rest of it was pretty bad actually.

Honestly the only drafts as bad as his are 2007 - 2009. Yes we went to a superbowl with him and he did bring Wilber Marshall here. What would the reaction be today if a team gave up two first round picks for a linebacker, which was the price for Marshall.

For the record I have no issue with Marshall, he was a great player for 6 years. 3 home shutouts to start the 91 season......

Washington Redskins All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I'm really hoping we bring someone from the outside in as gm.

Wasn't that who Scot was, an outsider with an objective view?