What would it take?

[Chico23231]

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-released.html

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.

There was limited coverage and very little outrage. Nobody held the administration responsible for any of ass kicking they received. Even when these were FACTUAL events.

Now, rumors and speculation our report by the media as FACT.

There's the difference.


Doesn't everyone know the FBI investigated and interviewed Flynn about the speaking with the Russians and found he didn't lie to them and didn't break any laws? We know this fact, right?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Pretty sure there was "outrage" about everything you mentioned.I know I was how should I say it..".disagreed with "to be nice when all the Snowden crap was going on and certain poster's were happy it happen.Seems certain poster's are never happy.Obama was at fault for getting us into or keeping us in War and now he gets shit becuase he didn't stand up to Putin (with military force) even though Congress had tied his hands.How were we to know it wasn't "fake news"...any of it,you can't trust anyone.The WP the NYT,ABC,CBS,ABC,CNN.Wait wasn't it the WP that broke the Flynn info......sorry I digress.Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was outrage.




example.....

http://www.thewarpath.net/debating-w...-released.html

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

And lets not forget about our sailors that were captured by the Iranians.
That was an epic fail for Obama.
I would have had the Straits of Hormuz locked down with Aegis cruisers pointing in all directions.

that was a terrible shit show...media still didn't go after the administration and the administration still gave Iran a sweetheart deal.



Could you fucking imagine if this happened with Trump in office? The media would crucify him...yet Obama, they simply looked the other way...why is that?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Nobody held the president and his state department responsible. Nobody..the media looked the other way, his brainwashed followers, etc. And still don't.

From now a historical perspective, which is still writing itself....Obama and his Presidency may go down as one of the worst Presidents when its comes to foreign policy. Certainly in the modern era

Sorry , I disagree ,one of the greatest ..."Hell NO" ,I understand that but sorry I disagree.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

You don't have to go back to any of those. From the link that mooby posted. Maybe all titles nowadays should be done like the old Sherman and Peabody cartoons where they had two titles, but in this case one gives the pro-trump slant and one gives the anti-trump slant so it would be

Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump or After Ignoring Treaty Ban, Russians Give Last Snub to Obama

makes for longer titles, but maybe lets readers see more views

The ground-launched cruise missile at the center of American concerns is one that the Obama administration said in 2014 had been tested in violation of a 1987 treaty that bans American and Russian intermediate-range missiles based on land.

The Obama administration had sought to persuade the Russians to correct the violation while the missile was still in the test phase. Instead, the Russians have moved ahead with the system, deploying a fully operational unit.

This wasn't about challenging Trump, it was about impotent action by Pres Obama's administration for the last 4 years. The line "had sought to persuade" literally has to make you laugh and cry at the same time. It's probably just poor writing, but you can't seek to persuade a bully, well you can but it's usually by giving him a bloody nose, not by reasoned discussion.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You don't have to go back to any of those. From the link that mooby posted. Maybe all titles nowadays should be done like the old Sherman and Peabody cartoons where they had two titles, but in this case one gives the pro-trump slant and one gives the anti-trump slant so it would be

Russia Deploys Missile, Violating Treaty and Challenging Trump or After Ignoring Treaty Ban, Russians Give Last Snub to Obama

makes for longer titles, but maybe lets readers see more views



This wasn't about challenging Trump, it was about impotent action by Pres Obama's administration for the last 4 years. The line "had sought to persuade" literally has to make you laugh and cry at the same time. It's probably just poor writing, but you can't seek to persuade a bully, well you can but it's usually by giving him a bloody nose, not by reasoned discussion.

Eight years ago I was trying to understand the outcry from the Bush people and being told it's Obama's fault.Now you got what you wanted Trump,I don't give a rats ass if Hillary was worse or Obama did this or that. Trump has had four weeks and he has fucked it up.We need to stop with Obama and Hillary and concentrate on the ass in the office now.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Eight years ago I was trying to understand the outcry from the Bush people and being told it's Obama's fault.Now you got what you wanted Trump,I don't give a rats ass if Hillary was worse or Obama did this or that. Trump has had four weeks and he has fucked it up.We need to stop with Obama and Hillary and concentrate on the ass in the office now.

hilarious. The whole article happened before Trump took office. Yes he needs to get a handle on it, but sorry geopolitical standoffs don't resolve the day the US puts a new president in. I will make this promise to the board - by the end of this year, you will not hear me say "Obama left {add subject here} in {add condition here} so it's not Trump's fault". Most likely I will turn to the Republican congress and blame them but after 9 months (randomly chosen time frame less then a year more than 6 months) Trump will certainly bear the burden of what is going on in the country and in the world.

and G1 for you to remain intellectually honest with your expressed statement, I guess that means that, in your eyes, all positive economic news from Jan 20th goes squarely on Trump's positive balance sheet?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

and G1 for you to remain intellectually honest with your expressed statement, I guess that means that, in your eyes, all positive economic news from Jan 20th goes squarely on Trump's positive balance sheet?

I wish the Giants defense could deflect pass's like you guys are doing with Trump.This whole thread is about Trump but Trump supporters are having a hard time defending him so we turn it back on Obama who is gone.
Cred as you and I both know some is and some isn't ,might not be what you want to hear but it's the truth .Trump has fucked up all this Russian shit and it's coming back to haunt him.Could Obama had done more to stop Putin,no,he did as much diplomatically as possible.The last thing anyone wanted was another war .The last thing he was going to do in an election year is tangle with Russia when Americans are sick of Iraq and Afghanistan and still on the border(of war) with Iran.people are bitching about "big goverment " and military spending but if we had gone military with Russia we would be send National Guards Men and Women to Russia to fight becuase we have outsourced the Military (thanks Mr Chaney).Obama hands were tied.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I wish the Giants defense could deflect pass's like you guys are doing with Trump.This whole thread is about Trump but Trump supporters are having a hard time defending him so we turn it back on Obama who is gone.
Cred as you and I both know some is and some isn't ,might not be what you want to hear but it's the truth .Trump has fucked up all this Russian shit and it's coming back to haunt him.Could Obama had done more to stop Putin,no,he did as much diplomatically as possible.The last thing anyone wanted was another war .The last thing he was going to do in an election year is tangle with Russia when Americans are sick of Iraq and Afghanistan and still on the border(of war) with Iran.people are bitching about "big goverment " and military spending but if we had gone military with Russia we would be send National Guards Men and Women to Russia to fight becuase we have outsourced the Military (thanks Mr Chaney).Obama hands were tied.

Nice to edit out the part of my quote that said, ask me in 9 months about Trump. If you think 4 weeks is enough for any administration to set it's footprint in the geopolitical realm then I re-emphasize - hilarious.

"Trump has fucked up all this Russian shit and it's coming back to haunt him" Frickin hilarious

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Nice to edit out the part of my quote that said, ask me in 9 months about Trump. If you think 4 weeks is enough for any administration to set it's footprint in the geopolitical realm then I re-emphasize - hilarious.

"Trump has fucked up all this Russian shit and it's coming back to haunt him" Frickin hilarious

Cred you started the thread, you asked the question?What I am trying to understand is that how can you wait for 9 months with it going in the shitter after 4 weeks?What would it take for me(us), after four weeks his resignation or impeachment.Yes that is how bad it has become.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

So so funny that Russia is now some sort of issue when for most of the Obama presidency, Putin outmaneuvered US interest and Obama personally all over the globe.

Where was the outrage over Crimea, Ukraine, hacking and leaking across the globe, giving Snowden sanctuary, major arms deals with Iran, military action in Syria against US back troops which turned the tide where Assad is winning that war, etc.

???? You were ok with that???

Just curious how you think Putin outmaneuvered Obama and the US? Also, what exactly were you looking for in response to counter these Russian moves?

I keep hearing this repeated so I want a genuine answer.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just curious how you think Putin outmaneuvered Obama and the US? Also, what exactly were you looking for in response to counter these Russian moves?

I keep hearing this repeated so I want a genuine answer.

You lead. That's how you handle it.

In most case he sat on his hands. Its just funny now why Russia is an issue when before the media and country never questioned anything. Funny how that hypocrisy works.


I listed the above outmaneuvering...Syria and Eastern Europe mostly. But political influence in the Middle east is just shocking. Did you hear, that Turkey is cuddling up with Russia now? Do you know how important Turkey is in that region?

He beat poor Obama down just bout everywhere. There was an world wide ass-kicking tour.