Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

If I understood it correctly, the speculations won't end in 8 days: they'll probably tag him... and then we'll have to wait and see if they manage to sign a long term deal, or trade him, or if he just plays under the tag...

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

Yes and with caveats. March 1st is the deadline for signing franchise tags. Depending on which tag Cousins gets will determine if other teams are allowed to negotiate with Cousins or not. If it's the exclusive tag, no other teams can negotiate with Cousins and we pretty much are guaranteed to have Kirk Cousins through the 2017 season. If it's the nonexclusive, then other teams can negotiate and offer a contract, but the Redskins have the option to match. If they don't match the offer, then Cousins can sign with another team but that team gives up two first round draft picks.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Yes and with caveats. March 1st is the deadline for signing franchise tags. Depending on which tag Cousins gets will determine if other teams are allowed to negotiate with Cousins or not. If it's the exclusive tag, no other teams can negotiate with Cousins and we pretty much are guaranteed to have Kirk Cousins through the 2017 season. If it's the nonexclusive, then other teams can negotiate and offer a contract, but the Redskins have the option to match. If they don't match the offer, then Cousins can sign with another team but that team gives up two first round draft picks.

It is my understanding the 2 first round picks would be the starting point of negotiations for the compensation, it could be more or less, and Cooley implied the other day that no team would actually give that much.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

It is my understanding the 2 first round picks would be the starting point of negotiations for the compensation, it could be more or less, and Cooley implied the other day that no team would actually give that much.

Well, it wouldn't be anything less. The standard compensation are the two first round picks. The Redskins don't have to negotiate in this instance. Now if the team has something else that appears to be "equal value" in the Redskins' eyes, say a star defensive player and some lower round picks or a couple defensive players, then the Redskins could negotiate a deal like that. But, they don't have to take anything less than the two first round picks.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Well, it wouldn't be anything less. The standard compensation are the two first round picks. The Redskins don't have to negotiate in this instance. Now if the team has something else that appears to be "equal value" in the Redskins' eyes, say a star defensive player and some lower round picks or a couple defensive players, then the Redskins could negotiate a deal like that. But, they don't have to take anything less than the two first round picks.

Are you 100% sure about that?

The way I understood it from Cooley and Kevin's show is the 2 first rounders are the starting point of the negotiation, in a non-exclusive tag where the Redskins don't match an offer made by a team, but if this team says "we won't give more than a first and a second, take that or keep KC" I think it's up to the Redskins to decide what they want to do...

How wrong am I?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Are you 100% sure about that?

The way I understood it from Cooley and Kevin's show is the 2 first rounders are the starting point of the negotiation, in a non-exclusive tag where the Redskins don't match an offer made by a team, but if this team says "we won't give more than a first and a second, take that or keep KC" I think it's up to the Redskins to decide what they want to do...

How wrong am I?

As far as I know, it can be negotiated, but if it's not 2 1st, It would need to be like a 1st 2nd and 3rd in this draft to even think about it.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Are you 100% sure about that?

The way I understood it from Cooley and Kevin's show is the 2 first rounders are the starting point of the negotiation, in a non-exclusive tag where the Redskins don't match an offer made by a team, but if this team says "we won't give more than a first and a second, take that or keep KC" I think it's up to the Redskins to decide what they want to do...

How wrong am I?

You're understanding it as if the new team holds all the cards and has the power over negotiation. They don't. In fact, there doesn't have to be any negotiation at all. If San Fran offers a contract to Cousins, the Redskins decide not to match, then if Cousins agrees and signs, San Fran has to give up their two first round picks. They don't get an option to negotiate unless the Redskins are willing to negotiate another deal. It's basically defaulted as two first round picks unless otherwise negotiated. That's how the league has set it up.

If a team says they're not giving up their first rounders, well, they don't get Kirk Cousins. It's not that the Redskins necessarily want to get rid of Cousins, but if another team is willing to outbid the 'skins, then they are not getting rid of him and leaving empty-handed.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I want to ask what is probably the dumbest question in the world, but I am really unfamiliar with the tags and how they work, so let me ask you:

If the Redskins still aren't sure about whether or not to tag him / trade him / release him, etc., by March 1, does that mean that Cousins fully enters into FA and then at that point could be signed by any team for any amount that they offer him?

Bottom line. They have to tag him or sign him by March 1st. If they do neither, he is a free agent and we would get at best a 3rd round compensatory, but they will do one or the other before the March 1st deadline.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If they tag him, you might as well figure he's gone, this year or next it won't matter. If they can't in their mind justify a long term deal off his body of work before Feb 28th, nothing will change between now and July.

I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I agree to a certain extent.

How sure are we that this is not happening: they want him here long term, but are not sure they want to pay the price he's asking, they think tagging him will buy them some time to negotiate, and might eventually end up paying him what he wants before the end of next season ?

I think the tag would give even more leverage to Kirk, but the possibility that they realize they don't really have a choice still exists.

At the point they tag him, they give KC a 33Million dollar (next year's tag number) reason not to sign a long term deal. Plus they would all but confirm he can't do enough to win the whole FO over, so there would be no way he signs any long term deal before next offseason. If they tag him, my expectation is that they will be looking to trade him. Maybe that's their plan, but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

At the point they tag him, they give KC a 33Million dollar (next year's tag number) reason not to sign a long term deal. Plus they would all but confirm he can't do enough to win the whole FO over, so there would be no way he signs any long term deal before next offseason. If they tag him, my expectation is that they will be looking to trade him. Maybe that's their plan, but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.

I would like your prediction to come true. I am crossing my fingers and toes. I think it would be a colossal mistake for them to F this up and not get a deal done.

If they do get a deal done, do you think they would then use the franchise tag on Garcon or Jackson?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

but I still stick to my prediction that they sign him to a 6 year deal by this Thursday.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah I kinda feel the same way

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I kinda feel the same way

You notice that Garcon put out a comment today right? Hypothetically, let's say the Skins are zeroing in on the numbers that make Cousins contract work, and they reached out to Garcon with a lowball number which prompted his note to instagram.

Joe Flacco, who everyone knew was going to re-sign after the Superbowl actually signed his 2 days before the expiration of the FT period.

It may take longer, ie until Monday, but I assume that right now they are putting their final offers together, and I think Thursday/Friday is when they will come to agreement.