Kirk Cousins 365 thread

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

JP Finlay says the real deadline for a long term deal is the day of the draft. Good point, if they cannot get a long term deal they must trade KC. And find another QB to compete with Colt for the job.

If KC plays the season under the tag, he is gone and they get nothing. (except a compensatory pick). A tag in 2018 would be $30+ million

I think I read the 2018 transition tag would be just under 30, but would give us right of first refusal. That is likely what will happen if he doesn't sign long term this year.

[metalskins]

I'm hoping for a long term contract, but I do see the reason for hesitation. At times, I'm sitting there watching Kirk Cousins play and thinking to myself, "This guy is the real deal! Haven't seen this since the glory years!" At other times, I'm sitting there watching Kirk Cousins and thinking, "He's so close, but he just can't seem to ever make that big play that would define him as a championship caliber quarterback."

So, I'm glad we have him for 2017, but I do expect big things with this team this year, or I can totally see letting him go next season.

[Irrefutable]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think I read the 2018 transition tag would be just under 30, but would give us right of first refusal. That is likely what will happen if he doesn't sign long term this year.

I believe the rules are different if you tag players for 3 years in a row....not sure of the exact number, but it was over $30 million

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Irrefutable

I believe the rules are different if you tag players for 3 years in a row....not sure of the exact number, but it was over $30 million

That's if you franchise him for a 3rd year in a row - the number would be $34M. CRed is suggesting the Transition Tag, not the franchise tag. It's an entirely different thing.

The number for that would be $28M.

[SFREDSKIN]

Good read:

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason

A swap of first-rounders makes more sense, with Washington exchanging the 17th pick for the second selection. Chase Stuart's draft value chart measures that swap as worth 13.6 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 27th selection in a typical draft. The 49ers have two fourth-round picks after picking up a compensatory selection for Alex Boone; maybe they send the 109th selection to Washington and get the fifth-round pick Washington grabbed from the Saints (154) in return. Now we're up to 15.8 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 19th pick.

The 49ers could finish out the deal by including Eric Reid, who has been an excellent safety at times while struggling with various injuries. Washington has been a mess at safety over the past several seasons, and Reid -- in the fifth-year option of his rookie deal -- would be a massive upgrade on DeAngelo Hall and Donte Whitner in the defensive backfield. This wouldn't be fair market value for Cousins, but picking up Reid and what amounts to a mid-first round pick for a player who doesn't want to be in town and is likely to leave after the season would make sense.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good read:

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason

A swap of first-rounders makes more sense, with Washington exchanging the 17th pick for the second selection. Chase Stuart's draft value chart measures that swap as worth 13.6 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 27th selection in a typical draft. The 49ers have two fourth-round picks after picking up a compensatory selection for Alex Boone; maybe they send the 109th selection to Washington and get the fifth-round pick Washington grabbed from the Saints (154) in return. Now we're up to 15.8 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 19th pick.

The 49ers could finish out the deal by including Eric Reid, who has been an excellent safety at times while struggling with various injuries. Washington has been a mess at safety over the past several seasons, and Reid -- in the fifth-year option of his rookie deal -- would be a massive upgrade on DeAngelo Hall and Donte Whitner in the defensive backfield. This wouldn't be fair market value for Cousins, but picking up Reid and what amounts to a mid-first round pick for a player who doesn't want to be in town and is likely to leave after the season would make sense.

Meh. Let's just pick out a trade scenario that would give the Redskins the equivalent of a first round pick and call it reasonable. Nevermind that it's not at all grounded in reality. You call it a good read, I call it mental masturbation.

Every action taken by the team so far suggests they intend to negotiate with Cousins to reach a long term deal. They hit him with the exclusive tag so nobody can talk with him. It also makes sure nobody can sign him to an offer sheet, meaning the Redskins wouldn't even be happy with two first round picks in return.

And who the hell is going to do all this work to offer the Redskins trade compensation without first being able to speak with Cousins about terms on a long term deal? John Lynch is not going to do that. He's already busy making other plans at QB.

Until you see the team actually grant permission to Cousins to talk with other teams, he's a Redskin. They clearly intend to take it down to the wire and get him for the best deal they can in July.

Don't be swayed by media rumors and dumbass conjecture like the crap linked in this piece. Rap Sheet said it: the Skins are not trading Cousins. War game this thing yourself, you can see where it's inevitably headed. It's a high stakes wrestling match to keep the $ figures reasonable.

I can't understand why more people can't see it.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Meh. Let's just pick out a trade scenario that would give the Redskins the equivalent of a first round pick and call it reasonable. Nevermind that it's not at all grounded in reality. You call it a good read, I call it mental masturbation.

Every action taken by the team so far suggests they intend to negotiate with Cousins to reach a long term deal. They hit him with the exclusive tag so nobody can talk with him. It also makes sure nobody can sign him to an offer sheet, meaning the Redskins wouldn't even be happy with two first round picks in return.

And who the hell is going to do all this work to offer the Redskins trade compensation without first being able to speak with Cousins about terms on a long term deal? John Lynch is not going to do that. He's already busy making other plans at QB.

Until you see the team actually grant permission to Cousins to talk with other teams, he's a Redskin. They clearly intend to take it down to the wire and get him for the best deal they can in July.

Don't be swayed by media rumors and dumbass conjecture like the crap linked in this piece. Rap Sheet said it: the Skins are not trading Cousins. War game this thing yourself, you can see where it's inevitably headed. It's a high stakes wrestling match to keep the $ figures reasonable.

I can't understand why more people can't see it.

Agreed, we're talking about more money than most of us will make in a lifetime, that kind of negotiation just takes time, I'd say about as much time as it's allowed to last...

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[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Good read:

Kirk Cousins' trade value and the NFL-wide impact of the drama in D.C. - 2017 NFL offseason

A swap of first-rounders makes more sense, with Washington exchanging the 17th pick for the second selection. Chase Stuart's draft value chart measures that swap as worth 13.6 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 27th selection in a typical draft. The 49ers have two fourth-round picks after picking up a compensatory selection for Alex Boone; maybe they send the 109th selection to Washington and get the fifth-round pick Washington grabbed from the Saints (154) in return. Now we're up to 15.8 points of draft capital, roughly equivalent to the 19th pick.

The 49ers could finish out the deal by including Eric Reid, who has been an excellent safety at times while struggling with various injuries. Washington has been a mess at safety over the past several seasons, and Reid -- in the fifth-year option of his rookie deal -- would be a massive upgrade on DeAngelo Hall and Donte Whitner in the defensive backfield. This wouldn't be fair market value for Cousins, but picking up Reid and what amounts to a mid-first round pick for a player who doesn't want to be in town and is likely to leave after the season would make sense.

Why would you look at draft chart values for a trade like this? It just doesn't apply. Picture a Redskin as having the last bottle of water in the desert (Kirk) when a dying 49er crawls over the dune willing to pay anything for it. Then determine what the Skins might ask for Kirk.

First of all, we don't need to trade Kirk. Personally, I wouldn't do it.

Secondly, who cares if Kirk doesn't want to be here? Tough luck for him. He's tagged. It's his job. Also, he's not involved in any discussion of trade pieces. So, that's not a factor.

Third, who says he's likely to leave after this season? A long-term deal can still get done.

Fourth, as I suggested with the trite water in the desert analogy, Kirk is worth way more to SF than to any other trade partner. SF has been a vast wasteland for QB play for some time now. Kirk has played and played well in Kyle Shanahan's system. The time required for Kirk to learn and become proficient in Kyle's offense is virtually nil. Kyle loves Kirk and knows that he can and will win with Kirk as his QB. Kyle's GM, John Lynch, also is a big fan of Kirk as an NFL QB. And I could go on...

As I said, you need to recalculate what SF would be willing to pay.