Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag

[MTK]

QBs have bad games, so does everyone. To think that a couple of off games are working against him for a long term deal right now is just silly. His overall resume is what matters.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by MTK

QBs have bad games, so does everyone. To think that a couple of off games are working against him for a long term deal right now is just silly. His overall resume is what matters.

true to a point . . . but one of the check boxes are for how a player does in clutch situations, or big games . . . and cousins has not shown that his is a clutch performer . . . he doesn't rise to the occasion . . . and IMO, that is a big part of the contract, so yes, that definitely weighs on the front office' minds

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

true to a point . . . but one of the check boxes are for how a player does in clutch situations, or big games . . . and cousins has not shown that his is a clutch performer . . . he doesn't rise to the occasion . . . and IMO, that is a big part of the contract, so yes, that definitely weighs on the front office' minds

Exactly.

[rocnrik]

Cousins W/L is .464, Jay Cutler .489, Stafford .455,Sanchez .526, Derek Anderson .426 ..all the stat stuff don't mean jack..window dressing is all. what matters is winning games and with that in mind he is mid pack in the NFL..

[sandtrapjack]

Breaking things down to the simplest means:

If Kirk Cousins is not the QB of this team after this season, then who is?
And does this move make the team better?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Breaking things down to the simplest means:

If Kirk Cousins is not the QB of this team after this season, then who is?
And does this move make the team better?

That is simplest form? That seems like a whole lot of cluster F.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is simplest form? That seems like a whole lot of cluster F.

There are a few posts, here and there, on this thread (and other threads) saying "If he had a better game against......" -or- "Cousins can't win the big games....." etc etc etc.

Ok. So let him go. Get rid of him.

Then what? Who ya' got lining up under center?
That is the point I was trying to make.

[FlyerSkin]

Skins just need to move on if they don't sign him. Nobody is going to give up 2 first rounders for the guy with 2018 being a bumper crop for quarterbacks in the draft. Skins fans are now in the position to almost hope the 2017 season blows to lower Kirks asking price, but then again, we might not want him if that happens. The front office really screwed this up!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Well. Here we are the final weekend of negotiations for KC and the Skins. Bruce Allen can earn his money if he gets it right. I am still feeling optimistic that they get a deal done. It just is not rocket science.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well. Here we are the final weekend of negotiations for KC and the Skins. Bruce Allen can earn his money if he gets it right. I am still feeling optimistic that they get a deal done. It just is not rocket science.

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I ain't tryna be no debbie downer or nothin, but he's had 7 years to earn his money. If KC gets signed, congrats BA, you bought yourself some time. If he doesn't get signed BA can go fuck himself with a rusty spoon. You ain't sniffin the Lombardi in 2017+ if you don't have a reliable qb at minimum. I guess these last 2 years made people get amnesia about the previous 25.

[insane4theskinsi]

not gonna happen,if cousins leaves,so will all the other free agents.

[KI Skins Fan]

I want to make it clear that I don't think this is a big cluster **** because the Skins haven't yet signed Kirk to a LTD. It is a CF because of the inability of someone in the organization to make a yes or no decision on Kirk. And this is after they have worked with him everyday for over five years? That's ridiculous! Meanwhile, they have stupidly guaranteed him $43,000,000 for only two years work. I just don't get this at all. It is bad business, IMO.

Now, I'm guessing, they are trying to recoup some if this money by low-balling Kirk in the negotiations for a LTD. That isn't going to work. It doesn't belong on the table because there is nothing to discuss. Kirk already has that money. It's gone. They might as well forget about it. The only possible topic for discussion is a contract extension at or near the current market rate with a substantial guarantee.

Supposedly, the ultimate team goal is to win a Super Bowl. If they believe they can win a SB with Kirk at QB, then they should stop screwing around and pay him the market rate on a LTD. If they don't, they should try to trade him now. If they still can't decide, then they are bunch of clowns who shouldn't be running a lemonade stand on the front sidewalk.

It is the epitome of stupidity to either continue to pay a fortune to a QB you don't believe in or to refuse to pay the going rate to lock up a QB who you believe can take you all the way once the team is built around him.

[rocnrik]

My concerns are this.both O coordinators that Kirk has had (mcvay and Young Shanny) have both been hired as head coaches..which tells me folks around league really think high of them..so Kirk had the luxury of having two world class O coordinators and one could argue a very very good if not elite WR/TE group ..Gruden likes the short high percentage play so all in all there were many factors involved in Kirks success ..I have watched every snap Cousins has ever played for Skins and I am not sure who Cousins is..could he be great? sure but I also believe a lot of his success was coaches/system/players etc.. To make him the highest paid QB would be a stretch in my opinion..why would he not play for 20 million a year for 5 year deal with a bonus clause that every year the team wins 10 games he gets 5 million bonus.. is that not the goal to get in the playoffs?? once in anything can happen. So if Cousins is so dang sure of himself he should be able to get skins into playoffs say 3 out of next 5 years..that would be 115 million dollar deal. sounds like to me he wants out and test the market ..serves him right if he ends up on a crap team like Cleveland,jets,49ers,rams ...

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

My concerns are this.both O coordinators that Kirk has had (mcvay and Young Shanny) have both been hired as head coaches..which tells me folks around league really think high of them..so Kirk had the luxury of having two world class O coordinators and one could argue a very very good if not elite WR/TE group ..Gruden likes the short high percentage play so all in all there were many factors involved in Kirks success ..I have watched every snap Cousins has ever played for Skins and I am not sure who Cousins is..could he be great? sure but I also believe a lot of his success was coaches/system/players etc.. To make him the highest paid QB would be a stretch in my opinion..why would he not play for 20 million a year for 5 year deal with a bonus clause that every year the team wins 10 games he gets 5 million bonus.. is that not the goal to get in the playoffs?? once in anything can happen. So if Cousins is so dang sure of himself he should be able to get skins into playoffs say 3 out of next 5 years..that would be 115 million dollar deal. sounds like to me he wants out and test the market ..serves him right if he ends up on a crap team like Cleveland,jets,49ers,rams ...

Correction: "to make him the highest paid QB for one season"

Next year plenty of QBs will have new contracts...

And by the way, is Derek Carr really the best QB in the league? I don't think so. He was just in a position to get this money, and word is he could have asked for more!

Contracts aren't grades, it's not a ranking, they are the result of a business negotiation, in a market.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

My concerns are this.both O coordinators that Kirk has had (mcvay and Young Shanny) have both been hired as head coaches..which tells me folks around league really think high of them..so Kirk had the luxury of having two world class O coordinators and one could argue a very very good if not elite WR/TE group ..Gruden likes the short high percentage play so all in all there were many factors involved in Kirks success ..I have watched every snap Cousins has ever played for Skins and I am not sure who Cousins is..could he be great? sure but I also believe a lot of his success was coaches/system/players etc.. To make him the highest paid QB would be a stretch in my opinion..why would he not play for 20 million a year for 5 year deal with a bonus clause that every year the team wins 10 games he gets 5 million bonus.. is that not the goal to get in the playoffs?? once in anything can happen. So if Cousins is so dang sure of himself he should be able to get skins into playoffs say 3 out of next 5 years..that would be 115 million dollar deal. sounds like to me he wants out and test the market ..serves him right if he ends up on a crap team like Cleveland,jets,49ers,rams ...

The only decision to be made here is a decision on the player. I think Dan Snyder would gladly pay market rate for a QB he truly believed could take his team to the Super Bowl.

I feel that if the Redskins, like you, are still not sure about him after all these years, then they should force themselves to make a "no" decision, trade him and move on. Unlike you, they don't have the luxury of not making a decision on him. They should not risk strapping themselves with a huge contract for the wrong player. Teams that are stuck in the middle of the road on a QB decision eventually get run over.

The very idea of wanting to pay Kirk mid-tier money because they think he ranks as a mid-tier QB works against the primary team goal of winning a Super Bowl. They must not get confused by the numbers. It's all about the player.

I would have no problem with a definite "yes" or a definite "no". I would have a big problem with a continuation of "maybe".