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[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Probably because it wasn't just him that came up with it, probably a lot of input from others in the decision making group went into putting together the plan. So why scrap it this late in the process?

Because the guy who put it together was an alcoholic and was letting it affect his job? Otherwise why fire him now, instead of after the draft the way respectable teams do?

[OmahaRedskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because the guy who put it together was an alcoholic and was letting it affect his job? Otherwise why fire him now, instead of after the draft the way respectable teams do?

Maybe if he showed up to the nfl combine he would still be employed.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because the guy who put it together was an alcoholic and was letting it affect his job? Otherwise why fire him now, instead of after the draft the way respectable teams do?

Again, it wasn't just him that put it together.

As to the timing of the firing it would have been a mess no matter when it happened.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by MTK

Again, it wasn't just him that put it together.

As to the timing of the firing it would have been a mess no matter when it happened.

My only point is that it seemed rushed, like they didn't have a plan. If he's been drinking on the job long enough why not get rid of him after the season? They panicked after all the leaks broke when he wasn't at the combine. They don't have a plan, they are just winging it, and they are more than content to let him take the blame for drinking. If he is truly an alcoholic than by all means its' affecting the job he's supposed to be doing, yet somehow they are more than content following his board (most likely because they have no other choice but to).

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

My only point is that it seemed rushed, like they didn't have a plan. If he's been drinking on the job long enough why not get rid of him after the season? They panicked after all the leaks broke when he wasn't at the combine. They don't have a plan, they are just winging it, and they are more than content to let him take the blame for drinking. If he is truly an alcoholic than by all means its' affecting the job he's supposed to be doing, yet somehow they are more than content following his board (most likely because they have no other choice but to).

What employer would allow an employee to continue drink on the job? My former employer would call in such an employee and demand that the employee either agree to go into rehab that day or he would be fired on the spot.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What employer would allow an employee to continue drink on the job? My former employer would call in such an employee and demand that the employee either agree to go into rehab that day or he would be fired on the spot.

So Scot McCloughan tells Bruce Allen to F off and EB from the Sports Junkies describes it as "not being an ass kisser". Um, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of us would get fired if we cursed out our boss, drunk or sober.

While I certainly don't like how things have gone down, I care more about wins and losses and will suspend my outrage until their off-season actions translate into losses. I actually like their player acquisitions so far and think they could be better. With a few exceptions, the best players on the team were here before Scot. They will get past this and having a good season is still very much in play.


Eric Bickel‏Verified account @EBJunkies Mar 10

I have been told that Scot would tell Bruce to F off. Wouldn't kiss his ass. Can't blame him. But i'm sure that also doomed him

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

So Scot McCloughan tells Bruce Allen to F off and EB from the Sports Junkies describes it as "not being an ass kisser". Um, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure most of us would get fired if we cursed out our boss, drunk or sober.

While I certainly don't like how things have gone down, I care more about wins and losses and will suspend my outrage until their off-season actions translate into losses. I actually like their player acquisitions so far and think they could be better. With a few exceptions, the best players on the team were here before Scot. They will get past this and having a good season is still very much in play.


Eric Bickel‏Verified account @EBJunkies Mar 10

I have been told that Scot would tell Bruce to F off. Wouldn't kiss his ass. Can't blame him. But i'm sure that also doomed him

if I was at work and someone had been drinking and telling me to Ef off, we would have problems.

[metalskins]

Welp, now that Scot McCloughan is gone, let's talk about GM candidates. Seems like Mike Maylock and Doug Williams are the two top choices. I think I'm more than fine with either guy. I think both would be well respected. I wonder when they plan on interviewing either guy?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

What employer would allow an employee to continue drink on the job? My former employer would call in such an employee and demand that the employee either agree to go into rehab that day or he would be fired on the spot.

In what world is the NFL a regular business where you can just fire somebody as important as the GM one day and worry about the consequences later? There are ways teams in the NFL handle things. If the GM/scout (whichever term for Scot you prefer) isn't fired after the season, it's after the draft. And there's a reason for that, it's to minimize the impact it has on the franchise. Firing him during free agency reeks of panic, they didn't anticipate the leaks and they didn't have a plan for it.

As for the alcoholic thing, if you want to believe that go ahead. If it was disrupting his work and influencing the board I don't think we'd be seeing them following his plan today.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

In what world is the NFL a regular business where you can just fire somebody as important as the GM one day and worry about the consequences later? There are ways teams in the NFL handle things. If the GM/scout (whichever term for Scot you prefer) isn't fired after the season, it's after the draft. And there's a reason for that, it's to minimize the impact it has on the franchise. Firing him during free agency reeks of panic, they didn't anticipate the leaks and they didn't have a plan for it.

As for the alcoholic thing, if you want to believe that go ahead. If it was disrupting his work and influencing the board I don't think we'd be seeing them following his plan today.

but he didn't show up to work . . . what is the point of having him and paying him if he is not working? not helping with scouting any longer, not doing his job in FA? it was HIS choice not to show up even after telling the team a week before to not worry, he would be at the combine . . . they expected him there and he stayed at home . . . and he said he would be out another week and be back the next . . . next week came and guess what, he was not at work again . . . again on his own choice . . . why pay the man if he his not showing up for work??? how is that helping the team with FA or preparing for the draft???

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

My only point is that it seemed rushed, like they didn't have a plan. If he's been drinking on the job long enough why not get rid of him after the season? They panicked after all the leaks broke when he wasn't at the combine. They don't have a plan, they are just winging it, and they are more than content to let him take the blame for drinking. If he is truly an alcoholic than by all means its' affecting the job he's supposed to be doing, yet somehow they are more than content following his board (most likely because they have no other choice but to).

It probably had a lot to do with a difference of opinion over what to do with Cousins, and that decision was looming at the time.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by mooby

Because the guy who put it together was an alcoholic and was letting it affect his job? Otherwise why fire him now, instead of after the draft the way respectable teams do?

how about because HE decided not to show up for the combine or the start of FA . . . that is effecting your team in a negative way, so why have him here at all then?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

how about because HE decided not to show up for the combine or the start of FA . . . that is effecting your team in a negative way, so why have him here at all then?

Yeah, I would think had he shown up ready to work for the combine, and especially the start of FA, then they would have worked to keep him through the off season. But missing those two events basically forced the team's actions.

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yeah, I would think had he shown up ready to work for the combine, and especially the start of FA, then they would have worked to keep him through the off season. But missing those two events basically forced the team's actions.

Scot not attending the combine was a mutual decision between he and Bruce. He was effectively done here already...

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Scot not attending the combine was a mutual decision between he and Bruce. He was effectively done here already...

not from what i've read . . . he and his agent were telling the team a week prior that he would be there . . . promising he would . . . and he didn't show up . . . saying he would be back at the office the next week, then still didn't show up