Trouble in Redskins Park?

[Chico23231]

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The then-GM met for five hours one night that summer to try and convince owner Dan Snyder and president Bruce Allen that the time had come, and the team needed to move from Robert Griffin III to Kirk Cousins. Soon thereafter, with Cousins installed as starter, and believing he was in for a big year, McCloughan made a second appeal to the team’s top brass.

Let’s extend Cousins now, he told them, so we’re not stuck holding the bag later.


The Cousins negotiation. At the close of training camp in 2015, McCloughan wanted to try and extend Cousins, but there was concern over how that’d go over with Griffin, because some felt the team would still need him at some point. (Whether a fair figure could have been reached with Cousins is open for debate, considering the quarterback’s inconsistent résumé and lack of success at that point.) Finally, that December, McCloughan was given the green light. By then, Cousins’ camp wanted to wait till after the year.

After Cousins’ hot finish, the Skins knew they’d have to franchise Cousins at a $20 million number, which framed negotiations in a place where the team wasn’t willing to go. Talks on a long-term deal got off to a rough start, and then control shifted from McCloughan to team negotiator Eric Schaffer. By the time 2016 was winding down, the GM had been removed completely from decision-making on Cousins.



disturbing tidbit with Cravens:

Su’a Cravens injury. The rookie safety/linebacker injured his biceps on Dec. 11 against the Eagles. Initially, the team believed it was a tear. It wound up being a bruise, the kind players often play through. Cravens missed the following Monday’s game against Carolina, and then the next game in Chicago on Christmas Eve.



By then, his teammates, some of whom had seen him playing ping-pong at the facility, were openly wondering why he wasn’t pushing through the injury. After he missed two games, the team wanted him to get the arm drained in an effort to play in Week 17. Cravens responded by not showing up to the facility for treatment that day, at which point McCloughan decided to call Cravens.

That didn’t go over well with Allen. Some veterans felt like McCloughan was simply trying to uphold the culture that he and Gruden had worked to build, which is seen as a “Seattle” thing (McCloughan worked for the Seahawks from 2011-13) to do—If you see something, say something. But certainly, there’d be some debate in the football world over whether it’s a GM’s place to handle those things. (Cravens sat out the finale.)


Bashaud Breeland’s outburst. At another point in December, the third-year corner—who’d been seen internally as moody following the Josh Norman signing—blew an assignment, and was called by a coach on it. He argued. The coach argued back. Then, Breeland blew another assignment, took his helmet off and sat on a cooler on the sideline. From the perspective of the coaching staff, these sorts of squabbles with players were not uncommon.

But after practice, in the locker room, McCloughan saw Breeland coming out of the shower and bluntly told the third-year corner to come to his office after he was dressed. Word of the confrontation got around, and it led to another squabble in the front office over boundaries.

As was the case with Cravens, some players believed Breeland needed to be shaken and didn’t mind McCloughan doing it. Clearly, others within the organization didn’t think it was his place.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Read this article now:

Redskins drama: What went wrong in Washington | The MMQB with Peter King

The then-GM met for five hours one night that summer to try and convince owner Dan Snyder and president Bruce Allen that the time had come, and the team needed to move from Robert Griffin III to Kirk Cousins. Soon thereafter, with Cousins installed as starter, and believing he was in for a big year, McCloughan made a second appeal to the team’s top brass.

Let’s extend Cousins now, he told them, so we’re not stuck holding the bag later.


The Cousins negotiation. At the close of training camp in 2015, McCloughan wanted to try and extend Cousins, but there was concern over how that’d go over with Griffin, because some felt the team would still need him at some point. (Whether a fair figure could have been reached with Cousins is open for debate, considering the quarterback’s inconsistent résumé and lack of success at that point.) Finally, that December, McCloughan was given the green light. By then, Cousins’ camp wanted to wait till after the year.

After Cousins’ hot finish, the Skins knew they’d have to franchise Cousins at a $20 million number, which framed negotiations in a place where the team wasn’t willing to go. Talks on a long-term deal got off to a rough start, and then control shifted from McCloughan to team negotiator Eric Schaffer. By the time 2016 was winding down, the GM had been removed completely from decision-making on Cousins.



disturbing tidbit with Cravens:

Su’a Cravens injury. The rookie safety/linebacker injured his biceps on Dec. 11 against the Eagles. Initially, the team believed it was a tear. It wound up being a bruise, the kind players often play through. Cravens missed the following Monday’s game against Carolina, and then the next game in Chicago on Christmas Eve.



By then, his teammates, some of whom had seen him playing ping-pong at the facility, were openly wondering why he wasn’t pushing through the injury. After he missed two games, the team wanted him to get the arm drained in an effort to play in Week 17. Cravens responded by not showing up to the facility for treatment that day, at which point McCloughan decided to call Cravens.

That didn’t go over well with Allen. Some veterans felt like McCloughan was simply trying to uphold the culture that he and Gruden had worked to build, which is seen as a “Seattle” thing (McCloughan worked for the Seahawks from 2011-13) to do—If you see something, say something. But certainly, there’d be some debate in the football world over whether it’s a GM’s place to handle those things. (Cravens sat out the finale.)


Bashaud Breeland’s outburst. At another point in December, the third-year corner—who’d been seen internally as moody following the Josh Norman signing—blew an assignment, and was called by a coach on it. He argued. The coach argued back. Then, Breeland blew another assignment, took his helmet off and sat on a cooler on the sideline. From the perspective of the coaching staff, these sorts of squabbles with players were not uncommon.

But after practice, in the locker room, McCloughan saw Breeland coming out of the shower and bluntly told the third-year corner to come to his office after he was dressed. Word of the confrontation got around, and it led to another squabble in the front office over boundaries.

As was the case with Cravens, some players believed Breeland needed to be shaken and didn’t mind McCloughan doing it. Clearly, others within the organization didn’t think it was his place.

My only take away from the article: It is weird McC is confronting naked players.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

My only take away from the article: It is weird McC is confronting naked players.

Not that McC wanted to pay Cousins and others didn't? didn't notice that?

How about instilling a culture? nothing there.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not that McC wanted to pay Cousins and others didn't? didn't notice that?

How about instilling a culture? nothing there.

I'm more disappointed by the tidbits on Cravens and Breeland. Paying Cousins when RG3 was still on the roster was certainly a debatable idea at the time

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm more disappointed by the tidbits on Cravens and Breeland. Paying Cousins when RG3 was still on the roster was certainly a debatable idea at the time

I am also disappointed by this, moreso by Cravens than Breeland. We all knew Breeland was struggling last year so lashing out is expected. As long as someone gets on him about it and he fixes his mistakes its' no biggie. But Cravens not playing through a bruise isn't a good look.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mooby

I am also disappointed by this, moreso by Cravens than Breeland. We all knew Breeland was struggling last year so lashing out is expected. As long as someone gets on him about it and he fixes his mistakes its' no biggie. But Cravens not playing through a bruise isn't a good look.

With Breeland, clearly a big part of the problem was Perry Fewell. We heard lots, especially from Keim, about how poor he was about communicating assignments. Not to dismiss Breeland's pouty bullshit as acceptable - but it should definitely be for Gruden to determine whether Breeland needs space to cool off, or whether he needs to be reprimanded. McC isn't close enough to understand the nuances of Fewell's actions and how they mixed with Breeland.

On Cravens, yeah. Yikes. You play through things like a bruise. We're supposed to be building a culture of toughness. It's disappointing to hear he didn't play.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

With Breeland, clearly a big part of the problem was Perry Fewell. We heard lots, especially from Keim, about how poor he was about communicating assignments. Not to dismiss Breeland's pouty bullshit as acceptable - but it should definitely be for Gruden to determine whether Breeland needs space to cool off, or whether he needs to be reprimanded. McC isn't close enough to understand the nuances of Fewell's actions and how they mixed with Breeland.

On Cravens, yeah. Yikes. You play through things like a bruise. We're supposed to be building a culture of toughness. It's disappointing to hear he didn't play.

Yeah, it says a lot that when we were interviewing for d-coordinator, they didn't even give an interview to a former coordinator in Fewell. That was one reason I felt like maybe the coaches weren't getting through to Breeland.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm more disappointed by the tidbits on Cravens and Breeland. Paying Cousins when RG3 was still on the roster was certainly a debatable idea at the time

Exactly the whole cousins part is hindsight.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm more disappointed by the tidbits on Cravens and Breeland. Paying Cousins when RG3 was still on the roster was certainly a debatable idea at the time

come to find out, it was the right thing to do. Being right counts...actually counts a lot when it comes to QBs.

Bruce and Dan have poor track records with the QB decisions

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

come to find out, it was the right thing to do. Being right counts...actually counts a lot when it comes to QBs.

Bruce and Dan have poor track records with the QB decisions

But even in the article it reminds us that there is no way of knowing if SM's idea of paying him would have matched KC's idea. Per the article they ultimately did offer him something and KC still turned it down.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

come to find out, it was the right thing to do. Being right counts...actually counts a lot when it comes to QBs.

Bruce and Dan have poor track records with the QB decisions

Particularly Snyder. The guy gets a hard on for someone at combine and pro day work outs. He wanted Mark Sanchez and wanted to give away the farm for Cutler. That says it all right there.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Not that McC wanted to pay Cousins and others didn't? didn't notice that?

How about instilling a culture? nothing there.

Its a joke buddy, relax. Chill.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Its a joke buddy, relax. Chill.

mredskins you sneaky bastard.

you got me...I was just a little blown away with the article. The writer really set up where the organization had gone in just a year...from feeling great, "level", and excited about the future.

back to effing dysfunction dumpster fire...I mean this team will kill me in the end.

Im just sick of the drama...its been going on for 20 years!!!!

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

mredskins you sneaky bastard.

you got me...I was just a little blown away with the article. The writer really set up where the organization had gone in just a year...from feeling great, "level", and excited about the future.

back to effing dysfunction dumpster fire...I mean this team will kill me in the end.

Im just sick of the drama...its been going on for 20 years!!!!

You and me both. Even when they crawl out of the dumpster, they can't help themselves but to crawl back in.