Redskins promote Greg Manusky to defensive coordinator

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah exactly. It's well documented that we should have found a way to work it out with Schottenheimer. But after that, we made the right moves at the right time.

Every owner in the league would have zipped Spurrier at that point, Gibbs retired on his own accord, every owner in the league would have zipped Zorn at that point given that we had a decent team when Gibbs left and Zorn took it in the wrong direction, and Shanny ran himself out of town.

Since Schottenheimer, Snyder's handling of coaches has been exactly what every other owner would do in the same situation.

Now, Snyder's actions under the Cerrato front office certainly undermined some of those coaches. We can pin that on him for sure. But he has since nicely put that to bed, as well with the McCloughan hire.

It took forever but he's finally behaving like an owner who knows how to set up organizational hierarchy and process.

I disagree on the Zorn one. I think Snyder panicked when the fan backlash against Fassel happened and went with plan B. IIRC they had hired Zorn as offensive coordinator (s/n picking coordinators before a head coach? Weak) and my memory is a little vague about what happens next, but after the fan rejection of Fassel and the realization not many head coaches would be ok not having their choice of coordinators they panicked and promoted Zorn.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by mooby

I disagree on the Zorn one. I think Snyder panicked when the fan backlash against Fassel happened and went with plan B. IIRC they had hired Zorn as offensive coordinator (s/n picking coordinators before a head coach? Weak) and my memory is a little vague about what happens next, but after the fan rejection of Fassel and the realization not many head coaches would be ok not having their choice of coordinators they panicked and promoted Zorn.

Zorn should never have been hired in the first place. I would say after the Gibbs 2.0 hire DS has started to act like an adult. Gibbs mentored him is the way I see it. Not all the decisions have been great but most of them have been solid. I am in no way passing judgment on SM being fired. I need to see how the cards lay on the table first. They could have been more professional about it for sure.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by mooby

I disagree on the Zorn one. I think Snyder panicked when the fan backlash against Fassel happened and went with plan B. IIRC they had hired Zorn as offensive coordinator (s/n picking coordinators before a head coach? Weak) and my memory is a little vague about what happens next, but after the fan rejection of Fassel and the realization not many head coaches would be ok not having their choice of coordinators they panicked and promoted Zorn.

I can't remember the big deal with Fassel anyway. Was it that he hadn't been a head coach in the league for awhile and people felt the game had passed him by? Seems like he has always remained close to football in some form or fashion, which is different from the Joe Gibbs hiring. Gibbs had been away from football for like 12 years or so. Yet, he still was able to take the 'skins to two playoff appearance and a playoff win. Just wondering how Fassel would have worked out?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I can't remember the big deal with Fassel anyway. Was it that he hadn't been a head coach in the league for awhile and people felt the game had passed him by? Seems like he has always remained close to football in some form or fashion, which is different from the Joe Gibbs hiring. Gibbs had been away from football for like 12 years or so. Yet, he still was able to take the 'skins to two playoff appearance and a playoff win. Just wondering how Fassel would have worked out?

I was against the decision at the time and still am. He had been out of football and his only claim to fame is getting blown out by the Ravens in the Super Bowl and then several mediocre years afterward before he got fired. Why hire a crappy retread that wasn't in demand at all.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I was against the decision at the time and still am. He had been out of football and his only claim to fame is getting blown out by the Ravens in the Super Bowl and then several mediocre years afterward before he got fired. Why hire a crappy retread that wasn't in demand at all.

He certainly was not Vince Lombardi but he had a hell of a better resume than Jim Zorn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fassel

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He certainly was not Vince Lombardi but he had a hell of a better resume than Jim Zorn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Fassel

Idk how I got shoehorned into saying Jim Zorn was on Jim Fassel's level. They were both terrible choices, and reflective of what a shitshow this franchise was after Gibbs left.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Idk how I got shoehorned into saying Jim Zorn was on Jim Fassel's level. They were both terrible choices, and reflective of what a shitshow this franchise was after Gibbs left.

Just sayin that Fassel would have been a better choice.He had been to the playoffs and to the super bowl.Not to mention worked wonders with Kerry Collins a retread at QB.

[Bishop Hammer]

Originally Posted by mooby

I disagree on the Zorn one. I think Snyder panicked when the fan backlash against Fassel happened and went with plan B. IIRC they had hired Zorn as offensive coordinator (s/n picking coordinators before a head coach? Weak) and my memory is a little vague about what happens next, but after the fan rejection of Fassel and the realization not many head coaches would be ok not having their choice of coordinators they panicked and promoted Zorn.

Another idiotic and meddlesome Snyder move. I can't belive there were some fans who actually thought hiring coordinators before having a coach, in a place, was a smart idea? Fassell was so desperate to become a head coach, again, he would've come here even with pre-ordered coordinators; which shows how little in demand he was wanted by other teams.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Bishop Hammer

Another idiotic and meddlesome Snyder move. I can't belive there were some fans who actually thought hiring coordinators before having a coach, in a place, was a smart idea? Fassell was so desperate to become a head coach, again, he would've come here even with pre-ordered coordinators; which shows how little in demand he was wanted by other teams.

This is 100% true. As I understand it, the Redskins were the only NFL team to reach out to Fassell. He was talking to the UFL at the same time but obviously the NFL was where he wanted to be.