Redskins fire GM Scot McCloughan

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agents say a lot of things. If he insists on that much, and won't sign with us for any less, I would have to see what I could get in a trade, honestly.

But like I said, I truly think if it comes down to it, he won't try to suck every last dollar out. I do believe he wants to be here.

i hope your right, but i am not counting on it . . . i know i wouldn't give a upper middle tier QB the highest paying contract in the history of the sport

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

i hope your right, but i am not counting on it . . . i know i wouldn't give a upper middle tier QB the highest paying contract in the history of the sport

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it works. You overpay for what you have, knowing that in a few years the salary cap inflation will make the contract seem less crazy.

Unfortunately, when you give a big QB contract, you hope that you can draft well to keep up with FA losses, since you can't afford to keep everyone. If you don't draft well, you end up like the Colts - wasting years of good QB play with a bad team.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it works. You overpay for what you have, knowing that in a few years the salary cap inflation will make the contract seem less crazy.

Unfortunately, when you give a big QB contract, you hope that you can draft well to keep up with FA losses, since you can't afford to keep everyone. If you don't draft well, you end up like the Colts - wasting years of good QB play with a bad team.

i would agree if he was a top tier QB . . . he is NOT . . . never in the history of the NFL has a middle tier QB been the highest paid player ever . . . it will take many years before the middle tier QB's get paid that much.

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

i would agree if he was a top tier QB . . . he is NOT . . . never in the history of the NFL has a middle tier QB been the highest paid player ever . . . it will take many years before the middle tier QB's get paid that much.

Oh really? QB salaries keep going up, but at the time, the contracts below were very expensive, Flacco is the best comparison - an average QB paid elite money..


Joe Flacco - $120 mil contract in 2014, $44 guaranteed, still $22 mil / year = top 4 contract currently


Andy Dalton - $115 mil contract in 2014


Brock Osweiler - $18/mil, $37 guaranteed (8th most guaranteed money in history)
Ryan Tannehil - $19.2 mil/yaer
Colin Kaepernick $126 million, avg $21/yr
Jay Cutler $126 million, avg 18/year

[metalskins]

It simply comes down to supply and demand. There just isn't enough of a supply of above average quarterback in the league on the level of Kirk Cousins. The quarterbacks who are better than Cousins are franchise, elite quarterbacks. IMO, Cousins falls underneath that category, but is well within the potential of taking a team to the Super Bowl if that team has been well built.

Having said all of that, Cousins is worth a big contract. However, I think the Redskins should draft a quarterback next year and be prepared to not have Cousins after 2018.

[SkinsGuru]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Oh really? QB salaries keep going up, but at the time, the contracts below were very expensive, Flacco is the best comparison - an average QB paid elite money..


Joe Flacco - $120 mil contract in 2014, $44 guaranteed, still $22 mil / year = top 4 contract currently


Andy Dalton - $115 mil contract in 2014


Brock Osweiler - $18/mil, $37 guaranteed (8th most guaranteed money in history)
Ryan Tannehil - $19.2 mil/yaer
Colin Kaepernick $126 million, avg $21/yr
Jay Cutler $126 million, avg 18/year

those are all FAR lower than he wants . . . he wants 75 million guaranteed and $25 per . . . to 6 year, $150 million, $75 guaranteed . . . that dwarfs all of the deals you just mentioned . . . nobody in the history of the nfl has had as high of a deal . . . period. look at the guaranteed on those deals too . . . cap was out of his in two years . . . a total of $36 million paid out.

give me $21 - $23 per and $50 guaranteed and i'd take it in a heart beat.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

those are all FAR lower than he wants . . . he wants 75 million guaranteed and $25 per . . . to 6 year, $150 million, $75 guaranteed . . . that dwarfs all of the deals you just mentioned . . . nobody in the history of the nfl has had as high of a deal . . . period. look at the guaranteed on those deals too . . . cap was out of his in two years . . . a total of $36 million paid out.

give me $21 - $23 per and $50 guaranteed and i'd take it in a heart beat.

If those are the numbers Kirk's side is asking for, that suggests to me that the negotiations have not begun in earnest. Naturally, Kirk's side is starting off high. The numbers you suggested seem to me to be in the range of what it would take to sign Kirk to a long-term contract, if he wants to be here.

The good news is that Kirk's unresolved contract status doesn't seem to have gotten in the way of building the team during the off-season.

[skinsfan69]

When are people going to understand that average to above average QB's in the NFL are going to get paid a lot of money. That's just how it is in the NFL. If you don't want to pay the premium then draft someone and let them play on their rookie deal, or go get Brian Hoyer.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Unfortunately that is exactly the way it works. You overpay for what you have, knowing that in a few years the salary cap inflation will make the contract seem less crazy.

Unfortunately, when you give a big QB contract, you hope that you can draft well to keep up with FA losses, since you can't afford to keep everyone. If you don't draft well, you end up like the Colts - wasting years of good QB play with a bad team.

People really don't understand the concept of inflation.