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06-11-2018, 08:29 PM
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Warpath Hall of Fame
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/polit...ent/index.html
Bill Clinton: 'Norms have changed' for what you can do to somebody against their will Man, this whole Bill and Hillary Clinton thing is ending quite poorly |
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06-12-2018, 01:08 AM
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Living Legend
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
Russia interfered. The US interferes. Every nation interferes. (Ronald Reagan interfered in french elections)
I havent seen anything that says or implies that trump colluded with them. And to date i dont believe he did. Most of the criminal charges could have and should have been brought outside of the special prosecutors initial tasking. And i am glad that they are being prosecuted, but so far none of the charges or released information points to collusion from the trump campaign. As for canada and the G7, we are not worried about them launching nukes at us but we still want to have the right to create trade deals that are favorable to our country. You should study Reagan more punch. He would never have accepted the tarriffs canada and europe already impose on our products. http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=33502 In touting his free trade agreement he praised canada for removing ALL tarriffs. Quote:
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06-12-2018, 06:08 AM
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From a Land Down Under
 
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
Ahhhhh yes. Rule number one to be a Trumper: TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT. Haha. And you Haven’t seen anything that says collusion huh? Oh boy. More like everything you hear and see is screaming collusion right in your face but Trump has repeated the words “no collusion” so many times that I believe him. The ole jedi mind trick is alive and well. Time will tell C Red. Time will tell.
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06-12-2018, 06:30 AM
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From a Land Down Under
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When is Enough ,Enough?
This weak ass motherfucker calls Jong un “very talented “ in front of the entire world, but Obama is the pushover right? HAHAHAHA. It is mind numbing. Just mind numbing.
We have a trade surplus with Canada, but Trump declares war on Trudeau. Than stands up and praises Jong un a murderous dictator and u guys applaud him. Fucking great shit. Amazing. You guys need to just move to a real dictatorship. You would be so much happier. |
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06-12-2018, 09:05 AM
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
As the news cycle begins to bombard us with all the over coverage from today meeting, lets prepare for the bias, left leaning media to discredit everything pro-Trump about this historic 1st meeting. Lets get ahead of the bs.
1. If you hear "nothing has changed"...laugh to yourself about this fake news...the 2 leaders met giving a good faith symbolic gesture, but negotiations have been on going...everything has changed. Never before 2. If you hear "North Korea has always wanted this meeting, nothing new"...LOL at this ridiculous fake news statement...The difference here is Nuclear Disarmament has NEVER, say it again, NEVER been on the table from the North Koreans. NEVER. The ONLY reason this happened is North Korean has stated they are ready to Denuclearize. They have NEVER been willing to bring this to the table. Are we clear? 3. Oh no, Trump said nice things about Kim Un Fat the Third! Oh no, Oh no, what are we gonna do? Are feelings gonna be hurt? Use your fuckin head retard, playing to the ego of this guy...just like Kim has done with Trump. This is a NON Story. This will be choice lead of the liberal media because it has zero substance. 4. Trump gave up (or suspended) joint exercise with South Korea...I somehow forgot this was a big sticking point for libs that they were for military exercises (sarcasm). But our Troops will remain there period...Trump said "envisioned a future he sees a reduced troop presence". SO if you hear "less Troops" that is fake news. ALSO what will never be mentioned by the media, the nuclear umbrella defense was never on the table and remains. So think on this one, no two week military training exercise vs the start of denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. 5. I think the biggest thing here that will not be brought up by the media...Good faith diplomacy. Diplomatic solution being sought out by Trump. Everyone was crying about how Trump was heading towards a nuclear war just several months ago...guess what folks Trump brought them to the table using diplomacy. So if you hear anything negative about talking with North Korea...laugh out loud about this fake news....this was always the best option, don't let the media state its not...now. Allright, let the fake news watch begin! |
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06-12-2018, 11:47 AM
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
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If they sign an agreement, that's a tangible action that's worth applauding. If they actually take steps to fulfill the agreement, that's an even better tangible step worth applauding. But I'm not going to applaud Trump and Kim standing up there and saying we intend to denuclearize. The North Koreans have said they'd capitulate before - going back in history. They haven't actually done it. If it actually happens then Trump will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, that's how significant an achievement it will be. But I'm not interested in words. Only actions and achievements.
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06-13-2018, 05:56 AM
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
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06-12-2018, 12:48 PM
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Until we really have substantial verification processes in place, I think everyone should have a healthy skepticism about NK's sincerity. The Reagan refrain of Trust but Verify has never been more important, it also is the issue with the Iran deal, when the country being inspected can say things are off limits, and you have to give them significant lead time notice, that isn't a real verification process. IF a deal that includes denuclearization does get done, it will be judged by that same standard. There is no unbiased media anymore, and Trump's presidency has highlighted that. I don't fault Punch for thinking that Mueller's investigation is going to produce some shocking outcome that will force Trump out, any more than I fault a Fox news viewer for believing that it was all a FBI conspiracy. You can't get balanced news anymore, even if you watch multiple outlets. You simply get the proTrump/antiTrump spin trumped up to the Nth degree. Some things I consider reality with as little spin as possible: NK tensions have eased considerably Stock market numbers are in positive territory Our allies feelings are hurt, but not to the point of abandoning any of our alliances The economy is generally good Oil prices are rising due to mideast and global pressures Israel/Iran tensions are a serious concern US school shootings have not been dealt with in any effective way Putin - Trump secretly got married in Vegas, but hey what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas |
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06-12-2018, 03:34 PM
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Gamebreaker
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
So trump denounce's our allies and turns buddy buddy with a dictator who has murdered his own family and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet yet the trump cult wants people to stand up for the tangerine moron in the WH, nope not doing it.
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06-12-2018, 04:03 PM
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I'm not defending or decrying it. Just saying dictators fall because they are dictators, not because of US moral outrage. |
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06-12-2018, 05:06 PM
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
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06-12-2018, 05:17 PM
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Gamebreaker
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2) Yes , but they were for Obama all so. 3)...don't be sure 4) as it was under Obama all so 5) No, due to your number # 6 .......and trump pulling out of the Iranian deal. 6)Yes, I agree and Iran isn't NK,it won't be as easy. 7) I am in 100% agreement with you. 8) Now you know why Melaina has been out of sight.
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06-12-2018, 11:51 AM
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
President Trump, as part of the historic summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, reversed longstanding U.S. policy by calling for an end to military drills on the Korean Peninsula and saying he wants to bring U.S. troops home from the region – the president’s latest convention-defying move on the international stage in less than a week.
chico, thats from fox. trump wants to remove our troops. and as far as never been done, president clinton came the closest. having a solid stepping stone towards peace. then W happened
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06-12-2018, 11:58 AM
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A Dude
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
I would be very, very surprised if we actually move our troops away from South Korea.
Doesn't make strategic sense even from the standpoint of remaining in tactically advantageous positions to deal with Putin should the need ever arise.
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06-12-2018, 04:28 PM
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From a Land Down Under
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When is Enough ,Enough?
I especially like the video montage i just saw (of very real fox news hosts and gop members - not fake ones made by the liberal news deep state machine lol) absolutely slamming in the most smug way Obama for even mentioning he would like to sit down with NK and “talk” , than fast forward a few years - and voila these same exact people praising Trump for his photo op with NK. Shocker.
The only difference is that “pussy” Obama would not have kissed Jung Un’s ass and given concessions about ending American military exercise with SK for absolutely nothing. Talk about a weak and bad deal. Absolutely amazing how people think this dude is some hardball tough guy. Only people he talks tough to is our allies. While he lets Putin off the hook and makes Jung Un look like Ghandi. GTFOH. |
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