When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

As i said, I am sure a similar montage of msnbc hosts raving about Pres Obama could be made.

The "news" channels no longer report just the facts they all shade it with heavy positional bias.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

As i said, I am sure a similar montage of msnbc hosts raving about Pres Obama could be made.

The "news" channels no longer report just the facts they all shade it with heavy positional bias.

There is no way in hell a similar montage exists about Obama and msnbc to that extent of hypocrisy. No way. There is changing your tune, and there is changing your entire album. Lol.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

There is no way in hell a similar montage exists about Obama and msnbc to that extent of hypocrisy. No way. There is changing your tune, and there is changing your entire album. Lol.

I think it can be compared to how the praises were sung after the Iran deal.

Iran is not a much better actor than NK.

We both admit our biases here, but I think you still credit non Fox news as way too credible for what they really are.

News outlets today are simply sycophants for their preferred policies, and the politicians that support them.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think it can be compared to how the praises were sung after the Iran deal.



Iran is not a much better actor than NK.



We both admit our biases here, but I think you still credit non Fox news as way too credible for what they really are.



News outlets today are simply sycophants for their preferred policies, and the politicians that support them.

But the difference is their tune hasn’t changed on the Iran deal. They have been consistent. It was not a perfect deal but it was / is better than nothing. They still say that after Trump ripped it up and replaced it with nothing. So unless he does create a better deal which is what he said he would do we have no way to judge their “potential” bias.
However Fox is completely 100% changing their tune on a POTUS meeting face to face with a foreign dictator.
Apples and oranges my friend.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think it can be compared to how the praises were sung after the Iran deal.

Iran is not a much better actor than NK.

We both admit our biases here, but I think you still credit non Fox news as way too credible for what they really are.

News outlets today are simply sycophants for their preferred policies, and the politicians that support them.

The axis of evil....Ole Dub wasn't wrong about that.

NK and Iran are fairly dangerous in their own respect. NK being isolated really hurts their effectiveness as a country when its comes down to influence. They lack a respectable position even in their region. Militarily, they cannot fuel or feed their army either.

Iran on the other hand is the top Shai Muslim country in the world with a competent army. They have an intelligent service which is effective for that region...globally not so much. BUT, they have been have a competent money funneling system where they support Terrorism throughout the world. What is really strange about Iran is their people are relatively "modern" for the region and the country is more liberal than its Suni counterparts...Why that doesn't translate into their government is a strange....but it goes to show that the Ayatollah holds the most power in the country.

If you had to point to which is the more "dangerous" country? I think Iran easily wins...even with NK with a nuclear weapon...even if they can deliver it on a rocket. I think Iran with a nuclear weapon would be extremely dangerous with their terrorist connections.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

LOL, reminds me of this one.............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Xze1DtXUQeU

[mooby]

I agree with Schneed. I hate Trump as much as Punch/G1 but if he's effective in getting NK to dismantle their nukes program we gotta give him credit.

With that being said, talk is cheap. Not just cheap, it's 3rd world country cheap with our Prez. He can hate you one day, but if you kiss his ass the next he'll say your one of the greatest people he's ever known. So yeah, we need to see actions, not just lip service. Especially with a despised dictator on the other end, who's as unstable as Trump is.

TL;DR: Peace is very achievable here, but there are 2 guys making the deal known for flip-flopping. And there's always the possibility KJU tries to present NK as a country who's giving up his nukes but keeps a secret stash somewhere.

[Chico23231]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html

James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.

Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.

Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."

James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"

Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html



James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit



Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.



"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.



Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.



Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."



James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"



Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

Are you serious man?
1) he said, and you can re-read your own quote, that we are in a much better place than we were 6-8 MONTHS AGO. Well. Yeah. That is when Trump was calling him names on Twitter.
2) This is like the 30th time in the last 20 years that NK has “promised” to de-nuke. Guess what? Everyone else he told that too was smart enough not to take a victory lap. But its ok when Kim doesn’t de-nuke, and he wont, you can just blame Obama, or Bill Clinton, or the Kennedys, or CNN, or G-one, or the Easter Bunny, or Kaep, or AT&T.
3) stop spinning shit man - u r a bigger propaganda machine than NK and Fox together. “Diplomacy” got plenty of play yesterday - problem is that past the handshake, and photo op - the “deal” was terrible. Lol. But dont let me ruin your good time.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/12/polit...ntv/index.html



James Clapper: US is 'in a much better place' after Trump-Kim summit



Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said the US is in a "much better place" after the summit between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.



"We're in a much better place ... where we're on the diplomatic path, as opposed to where we were six or eight months ago," Clapper told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Tuesday night.



Clapper said the change in the US approach to North Korea -- particularly the end to a US policy against negotiating with the isolated nation until it had fully denuclearized -- is a positive one.



Diplomacy is "the only real solution" to North Korea, Clapper said on "Anderson Cooper 360."



James Clapper is now endorsing Chico's post...in which Diplomacy path is being recognized. Funny how the word "Diplomacy" didn't get a lot of play yesterday...but several months ago the left was screaming Diplomacy when dealing with North Korea instead of "button size"



Make no mistake...NO fucking mistake....China told Kim that Trump was extremely serious in military action against him and his regime...China then advised Kim to change the path because they would not tolerate a US presence up against their border. This is missed by many.

He called our military “provocative”???? Our military operations which are providing insurance against this nut job with nukes is provocative? Im sorry. I thought kim and NK were the provocative ones? If Obama ever made that comment u would be calling him pussy all over this board, but Trump does it and it is “make no fuckin mistake about it TOUGH”. Ok man. Must be nice to live in parallel universes. How convenient.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He called our military “provocative”???? Our military operations which are providing insurance against this nut job with nukes is provocative? Im sorry. I thought kim and NK were the provocative ones? If Obama ever made that comment u would be calling him pussy all over this board, but Trump does it and it is “make no fuckin mistake about it TOUGH”. Ok man. Must be nice to live in parallel universes. How convenient.

I think Trump, like most good faith diplomacy, has to give a "bone" to the North Koreans. And lets think about this...Trump didn't just do this yesterday...we are allll aware that we have been in talks/negotiations for about a month.

I know the bias media is now worried about these yearly, 2 weeks training exercises...because it has very little to criticize. You do understand the North Koreans wanted nuclear umbrella gone, immediate sanction relief, government aid and the removal for American troops along its border...these exercises as a chip of good faith changes very little militarily about the US commitment to South Korea and the region.

[Chico23231]

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.

I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.



I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

What?!?!?!?
Our posture is strong? He just gushed all over a murderous dictator for the world to see and our posture is strong? Wow. Ok.
The only thing shameful is how Fox has changed their tune since Obama wanted to meet with NK. But don’t let actual hypocritical very real video footage get in the way. Just ignore it and say that the left is doing it. Hahahaha. Wow what a simple playbook Trump has given you all.
Everyone is hopeful Chico, but the bottom line is that he gave Kim very tangible things, and praises him to the point of worship- “he loves his people, and they love him”. Really? Kim gave us the same promise he has made 20 times since 2000. That is a fact. Just that When Trump gets told the same old lie he surrounds it with pompous circumstance to rile up his base before anything real has even happened- and it works - look at you. You are acting like all the nukes are gone from the peninsula and Disney just opened a giant park there. You do realize that NOTHING has changed? NOTHING.
Now go ahead and throw the hope, peace, and love words at me. Good luck. You are pinning that hope on a murderous dictator who kills his own family and feeds this same line of denuclearization to every tom dick and harry he needs something from. Most others don’t negotiate with the mad man. But Trump, the brilliant deal maker (see the long list of bad deals) just got suckered like a school boy on the grandest stage. But honestly i dont know why im trying to explain reality to u, because like him - you will never admit when he is wrong.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think the media coverage of this whole event is shameful to the American people. To hear the fear, the lack of facts, and lies its pretty unreal. We should be excited and hopeful. The tone changed but our posture is still strong and ready.

I think if this would have happened 3 years ago the press would be celebrating.

Of course you do, the truth does'nt fit your narrative. Your choice's are are with Punch or,back trump and blame the media. To you trump is never wrong always right and when trump is wrong it's the "bias media". Just stop.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Of course you do, the truth does'nt fit your narrative. Your choice's are are with Punch or,back trump and blame the media. To you trump is never wrong always right and when trump is wrong it's the "bias media". Just stop.

No. The media certainly has the right to critique the meeting and the signed document/agreement thingy.

But when NBC Today show starts the show with what "Trump gave away" as a headline or CNN runs headlines on the website "Nothing was changed or gained" then we have a problem with honesty. You need to provide context, perspective and all the facts. You cant provide the American People half the facts, just like you cant declare victory from yesterday. A story as big as this should be framed properly. I know you don't get it, but