When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Cnn can fuck off for blaming the president for this. It’s pathetic

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

I agree with this .

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

So does the same apply to Bernie Sanders and his follower who shot a republican congressman and had a list of others?

But what amazes me with this, Kavanaugh, even the Saudi situation is the fact that things like evidence, proof of specific individual intent, and even basic waiting for facts, seems to be thrown out of the liberal media's legal lexicon.

When the fbi finds the person or people who did this then we can identify their intent. In my opinion, and this doesnt mean i approve in any way, if a far right idiot or far left idiot intended for these things to cause real harm then they likely would have know how to build them. More likely this was really pure political theatrical terrorism - meaning the intent was not the explosions themselves as much as the terror that they have created and the media backlash 2 weeks before an important election.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So does the same apply to Bernie Sanders and his follower who shot a republican congressman and had a list of others?

But what amazes me with this, Kavanaugh, even the Saudi situation is the fact that things like evidence, proof of specific individual intent, and even basic waiting for facts, seems to be thrown out of the liberal media's legal lexicon.

When the fbi finds the person or people who did this then we can identify their intent. In my opinion, and this doesnt mean i approve in any way, if a far right idiot or far left idiot intended for these things to cause real harm then they likely would have know how to build them. More likely this was really pure political theatrical terrorism - meaning the intent was not the explosions themselves as much as the terror that they have created and the media backlash 2 weeks before an important election.

Sure, if you can find evidence of Bernie Sanders displaying a cavalier attitude about violence towards his political opponents, I'd put some blame on him too.

The reason it's important for politicians to have tact is because every major politician is going to have fanatics that will take everything they say to heart.

I agree with your 2nd bolded statement too. Whoever did this had to know there's no way they would get through to their targets.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Sure, if you can find evidence of Bernie Sanders displaying a cavalier attitude about violence towards his political opponents, I'd put some blame on him too.

The reason it's important for politicians to have tact is because every major politician is going to have fanatics that will take everything they say to heart.

I agree with your 2nd bolded statement too. Whoever did this had to know there's no way they would get through to their targets.

So:
Maxine Waters - "If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere,"

HRC - “You cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about,”

Holder - ‘When they go low, we kick them. That’s what this new Democratic Party is about.'


I'm not holding Trump blameless, but this is so much more than Trump, it's an entire liberal establishment that has seen it's power base - in governmental structures (governors, Congress, Presidency, and now the SC) all stripped away. Honestly, conservatives mostly may get beat up, but unless this was a one off whacko (and it might have been), the liberal base is far more fired up from their leaders to do crazy/violent stunts. At the height of the Obama presidency, when the country leadership was riling it up to the point of the tea party forming or other splinter factions, you didn't see the hostile mobs and violence like we have seen from the anti-trumpers. Conservatives worked out through elections, and they have a confidence in elections. Liberals have no reason to have confidence in elections, they have lost repeatedly, and they have seen 2 presidential losses even as popular votes were in their favor. They have witnessed the SC uphold one of those republican elections, and now they even feel they lost another voice in that body.

I don't know who sent those packages, what I know is that the person(s) who sent it is responsible for those horrendous acts (and they were horrendous whether the intent was to do actual harm, or political terror). That person should be found and prosecuted to the fullest extent, and any conspirators should be as well. But for society to heal, all sides need to put down the word knives, and let elections be where our battles are fought.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

I mean from my perspective it's easy to link the most powerful man in the world relentlessly verbally abusing Obama, Clinton, and CNN with someone taking that message too far. But that's just me. Rationally, I'd put some blame on the president for spreading the message, and most of the blame on the deranged individual stupid enough to send pipe bombs in the mail.

If these were sent to GOP, CNN would blame the President as well. We all know that.

Story already written in their minds, hence the biased media and their political agenda.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

If these were sent to GOP, CNN would blame the President as well. We all know that.

Story already written in their minds, hence the biased media and their political agenda.

The problem is that they weren't. I'm noticing a theme here, every time this shit happens you tend to talk about "well if the shoe was on the other foot... the media would do this." Only far left/far right media sells on "whatabout/what if" scenarios.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

The problem is that they weren't. I'm noticing a theme here, every time this shit happens you tend to talk about "well if the shoe was on the other foot... the media would do this." Only far left/far right media sells on "whatabout/what if" scenarios.

Why not try to look at everything from all sides? That's kinda the problem with this country...the refusal to see all sides of an issue. People just want the comfort of their bubble because its easier to be a sheep with everything nodding in agreement.


In order to think objectively I try to change perspective to put myself on the other side in order to see big picture. Its a strategy for sure because it will provide context, helps remove emotion and more importantly bias.

So yes, look at every side of an argument, try to understand perspective....it will help give context, it will make you more objective.

I aint mad at you...but yes, I def try to look at both sides. I see CNN certainly isn't doing this, hence the frustration with a large platform providing false narratives, cherry picking facts, giving no context, pointing fingers, AND most importantly calling itself a news organization while pissing all over the ethics of journalism.

[MTK]

Words matter.

When you're the President and you routinely attack the media and basically anyone who doesn't kiss your feet and things like this happen, don't be surprised when the suggestion is made that you may have some responsibility.

Let's just say at the very least, Trump's constant attacks on others is not constructive and to think there are no consequences is just naive.

I mean, this did just happen too... Groping suspect says Trump said it was OK to grab women

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by MTK

Words matter.

When you're the President and you routinely attack the media and basically anyone who doesn't kiss your feet and things like this happen, don't be surprised when the suggestion is made that you may have some responsibility.

Let's just say at the very least, Trump's constant attacks on others is not constructive and to think there are no consequences is just naive.

I mean, this did just happen too... Groping suspect says Trump said it was OK to grab women

trump could not go a day without blaming the Media for this...............

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...113937887.html


Donald Trump Attacks 'Hateful' Media Amid Flurry Of Suspicious Packages
HuffPost Hayley Miller,HuffPost


President Donald Trump on Thursday resumed his attack on what he called the “fake news” media after suspicious packages containing potential explosives were sent to CNN and several high-profile Democrats.

“A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News,” Trump tweeted. “It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!”


Trump’s latest attack on the press came a day after what appeared to be pipe bombs were sent to several major Democratic players, including Hillary and Bill Clinton, former President Barack Obama and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.).

On Thursday morning, police removed a similar suspicious package from the Manhattan offices of actor Robert DeNiro, who has traded insults with Trump.

The packages look similar, and appear to have been sent by the same individual or individuals, authorities said. The motive was unclear, and no one has claimed responsibility.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

trump could not go a day without blaming the Media for this...............

https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr...113937887.html


Donald Trump Attacks 'Hateful' Media Amid Flurry Of Suspicious Packages
HuffPost Hayley Miller,HuffPost


President Donald Trump on Thursday resumed his attack on what he called the “fake news” media after suspicious packages containing potential explosives were sent to CNN and several high-profile Democrats.

“A very big part of the Anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that I refer to as Fake News,” Trump tweeted. “It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream Media must clean up its act, FAST!”


Trump’s latest attack on the press came a day after what appeared to be pipe bombs were sent to several major Democratic players, including Hillary and Bill Clinton, former President Barack Obama and Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.).

On Thursday morning, police removed a similar suspicious package from the Manhattan offices of actor Robert DeNiro, who has traded insults with Trump.

The packages look similar, and appear to have been sent by the same individual or individuals, authorities said. The motive was unclear, and no one has claimed responsibility.

Listen to his speeches from yesterday (I know it's hard with his inflections and mannerisms), or read the transcripts. That story takes a minimal part of his speech and maximizes it, and leaves out his repeated condemnation of the attacks, and of the perpetrators.

On the other side, EVERY democratic operative I heard simply blamed Trump, without caution or care, and used the same attack-laced language that they have lived off of for the last 2 years.

Hillary just a few days before said we won't be civil till we win. Holden said When they go low, Kick them. Maxine Waters called for republicans to be mobbed in public. A republican politician has been shot. A republican office has had it's windows smashed. Republicans across the spectrum have been harrassed in public.

I want to hear the FBI's findings, but the bottomline is that there has been far more calls for actual violence from the frantic liberals who are seeing the loss of every political lever they had, then the conservative base as a whole, and the democratic lawmakers who are inciting them ought to step back, and re-think their strategy. But instead they continue to double down, and go further out of their minds trying to incite their base.

[Back2RFK]

For some reason when I heard about these bombs my first thought was. Some crazy liberal (they are on both sides) planted these bombs to help boost the Democrats right before the election.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Back2RFK

For some reason when I heard about these bombs my first thought was. Some crazy liberal (they are on both sides) planted these bombs to help boost the Democrats right before the election.

What is sad is that i doubt anybody thinks this is an external threat. I don't know how life was in the period leading up to the civil war but somehow i think the distrust in fellow americans is as high as it must have been in that period.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

What is sad is that i doubt anybody thinks this is an external threat. I don't know how life was in the period leading up to the civil war but somehow i think the distrust in fellow americans is as high as it must have been in that period.

You know when I first read about the bombs I was hoping that it was an external threat even if it would have sent Chico into a tirade of posts addressing lax terrorist policies.

On a side note, I heard this morning that the bombs were missing a key component to make them detonate. Officials were not saying however whether it appears intentional or accidental.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

You know when I first read about the bombs I was hoping that it was an external threat even if it would have sent Chico into a tirade of posts addressing lax terrorist policies.

On a side note, I heard this morning that the bombs were missing a key component to make them detonate. Officials were not saying however whether it appears intentional or accidental.

Its not really the lax policies at this point, its the fact since Obama has left office we finally executed a strategy to eliminate the safe haven ISIS and other terrorist groups had operated from...

The Obama administration previous foreign policy strategy with handling the Arab Spring and other Middle Eastern geo-political matters was a proven failure.



...anytime Chico is given an opportunity "to tirade" about Terrorism...external (nice word) or Islamic(bad word) in this case...well, we know that train is never late.



Oh sidenote...you know Cory Booker was high fiving and fist pumping this morning. K Harris is so jelly too right now....