Ugly week 1 again... Post game thread.

[btfoom]

Originally Posted by MTK

Kirk is a proven slow starter, I think it would be wise to ease up with the constant contract analysis.

The problem is that when you ask to be paid like the top in the profession, you are expected to play like the top in the profession. He again showed that he is not in - or anyway near - the top in the league.

I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half. Let them run out the clock - not like the Skins offense was just running up and down the field - and get out of there with a lead. Instead, TO, Eagles make first down, score on last play of half. That was a heartbreaker, especially considering the Skins had to kick right back to them.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by btfoom

I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half.

It was 3rd and 10 with 1:04 mins left on the clock and the Eagles had the ball on their 25 yard line ... Im guessing he had faith that our D could get a stop. Its not like the Eagles were on their 45 yard line.

More upset the Eagles were able to convert and go down the field to set up a FG attempt. More upset we are continuing the trend of not getting stops on 3rd and longs and letting TEs rack up numbers on us.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by btfoom

The problem is that when you ask to be paid like the top in the profession, you are expected to play like the top in the profession. He again showed that he is not in - or anyway near - the top in the league.



I wonder why more folks here aren't as upset as I am that Gruden called that TO with about one minute to go in the first half. The Skins were winning and the Eagles had a 3rd and long in their own half. Let them run out the clock - not like the Skins offense was just running up and down the field - and get out of there with a lead. Instead, TO, Eagles make first down, score on last play of half. That was a heartbreaker, especially considering the Skins had to kick right back to them.

Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.

One game doesn't decide your value, unfortunately for Kirk, he has played poorly in two very high profile games: the Giants game that could have taken the team to the playoffs and the season opener after he turned down a pretty fair offer by the team.

Kirk has a season to show that he deserves the highest contract at the end of the season based on market value. If he continues to be a slow starting QB, whose ceiling is 8-8/9-7, he's not going to get it.

People will continue to hold both Kirk and the team to the lack of a long-term contract. If Kirk had been lights out on Sunday, people here would be screaming at the team for screwing things up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

One game doesn't decide your value, unfortunately for Kirk, he has played poorly in two very high profile games: the Giants game that could have taken the team to the playoffs and the season opener after he turned down a pretty fair offer by the team.



Kirk has a season to show that he deserves the highest contract at the end of the season based on market value. If he continues to be a slow starting QB, whose ceiling is 8-8/9-7, he's not going to get it.



People will continue to hold both Kirk and the team to the lack of a long-term contract. If Kirk had been lights out on Sunday, people here would be screaming at the team for screwing things up.

I kind of doubt the reaction in favor of him getting a deal would be nearly as strong. Sort of how when we win the forum can be rather quiet, opposed to the shit hitting the fan after any loss.

[btfoom]

Originally Posted by MTK

Do you think Stafford is the best QB right now? It's all about timing when you hit the market, not if you're the best or not. One game doesn't decide your value.

For me, it isn't one game. It is now a consistent pattern over his entire time here. The team is a horrific 2-11 with him as QB vs winning teams. That's not a game, it is a trend.

Sure, he can light it up vs lesser teams, but when he NEEDS to win and is under pressure, he folds up and makes bone-headed plays. Last season, first Dallas game, he threw almost the EXACT same interception as vs Philly (he also threw that INT vs Ravens and Giants).

My concern with paying him is that it affects the Cap and the players we can/can't hold.