Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[Schneed10]

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

That is exactly how i had it in my mind. You put it into words. Great job.

The reason above by S10 is why I don't really believe DS and BA are really the bad guys here. I don't blame them for asking KC to prove it each year. You can pay Brady/ Aaron that kind of money and have lesser talent else where and the dealt is covered but with KC he alone can't win you games with just his share talent. What drives the price up on KC is the lack of talent at his level plus the drop off of talent below him. Its a real tough situation. I think if you look at the Ravens right now they are a in a bit of a pickle they are in is because of Flacco's contract and his current ability to produce.

I almost think because how specialized the QB position is that the NFL should have a separate salary cap for the position that doesn't effect the rest of your teams salary cap.

In the end the real issue is just the share lack of quality QBing at the NFL level and it becomes a simple economic equation of supply and demand that sets their salary.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by mredskins

That is exactly how i had it in my mind. You put it into words. Great job.

Credit for that wording goes to Max Kellerman. Like you, it immediately struck me - someone finally put their finger right on it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

He's not the Rodgers / Brady type of QB who elevates the play of those around him. But Super Bowls have been won by worse quarterbacks because they had a complete team around them.

The thing we have to ask ourselves, in the salary cap era, how hard is it to put together that complete team around Cousins if Cousins is being paid top dollar? It's a shitty decision to have to make - I think the answer is doing that is extremely hard. It's also extremely hard to find a new QB who can do what Cousins can do, let alone who can do what Rodgers or Brady can do.

Compounding it all is the obstacle we face in our own division - Dak and Wentz are on their rookie deals yet already are among the top 10 in the league. It's a tough position and I'm afraid there's no good answer besides getting very lucky in the draft - either draft the next big QB or keep Cousins and hit on a whole bunch of middle rounders who turn to be stars.

Like I said, it's hard.

I think if you look up here in Baltimore you can see the ramifications of that. Flacco put together a helluva playoff run in 2012 and received top dollar despite people knowing he is not an elite level QB, since then they have struggled to put together a quality product. There are other variables there for sure and for what it is worth I think Cousins is better than Flacco, and I think you pay Cousins and see what you can do.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

I think if you look up here in Baltimore you can see the ramifications of that. Flacco put together a helluva playoff run in 2012 and received top dollar despite people knowing he is not an elite level QB, since then they have struggled to put together a quality product. There are other variables there for sure and for what it is worth I think Cousins is better than Flacco, and I think you pay Cousins and see what you can do.

I'd rather have Cousins over Flacco anyday. The Ravens have lost games this season due to Flacco. I would not be surprised if he's cut this off-season if his play doesn't pick up. That or they draft a QB and then cut him the following season.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I'd rather have Cousins over Flacco anyday. The Ravens have lost games this season due to Flacco. I would not be surprised if he's cut this off-season if his play doesn't pick up. That or they draft a QB and then cut him the following season.

Is Flacco really that bad? Look at what's around him.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Is Flacco really that bad? Look at what's around him.

What is around him is because of his contract and they have been this year at least very snake bitten on injuries.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/10/26/mi...mqb-newsletter

Flacco has been on the decline though since the SB.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Max Kellerman said it really well yesterday. You won't win the Super Bowl because of Kirk Cousins but you can win the Super Bowl with Kirk Cousins.

I heard that segment and I happened to think it was spot on. It's a great assessment of Cousins. He's a very good QB, but he cannot carry a team like some other QBs can.