When is Enough ,Enough?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Lol just wow. Giantone you are awesome.

This should be an interesting argument. Where is the line of "this economy is Obama's fault" and "this improved economy is because of Trump" and how did you reach that conclusion?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

This should be an interesting argument. Where is the line of "this economy is Obama's fault" and "this improved economy is because of Trump" and how did you reach that conclusion?

It’s well documented that the entire recovery strategy was mostly that of the Fed. The stimulus bill that was in the works before obama and easily passed with with bipartisan support. Bailouts, healthcare, low interest rates, etc...we can pick but not worth it.

The “great” recovery was the slowest and maybe the worst all time. Somethings were simply out of the locus of control of policy makers, such as an aging population, ie workforce.

As an entirety, the economy recovery really depended on where you were. Here in Virginia...we didn’t feel the brunt because of our leverage of a lot of federal jobs, military, next to the swamp-paid by taxpayers-shithole fake DC economy, leveraged against a beautiful tax policy for both individuals and businesses(thank gop legislators here in va for that).

So sure obama did an ok job, but business leaders across the country agree that the growth was slow, choked, wage growth was a negative (that’s your wealth distribution from the middle class to the poor, ie obama welfare), over regulation, poor trade deals, jobs leaving for overseas, combine with a foreign policy which was absolute shit left a lot of People from the American blue collar worker to the American ceo without a lot of optimism. That’s why trump got elected.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

It’s well documented that the entire recovery strategy was mostly that of the Fed. The stimulus bill that was in the works before obama and easily passed with with bipartisan support. Bailouts, healthcare, low interest rates, etc...we can pick but not worth it.

The “great” recovery was the slowest and maybe the worst all time. Somethings were simply out of the locus of control of policy makers, such as an aging population, ie workforce.

As an entirety, the economy recovery really depended on where you were. Here in Virginia...we didn’t feel the brunt because of our leverage of a lot of federal jobs, military, next to the swamp-paid by taxpayers-shithole fake DC economy, leveraged against a beautiful tax policy for both individuals and businesses(thank gop legislators here in va for that).

So sure obama did an ok job, but business leaders across the country agree that the growth was slow, choked, wage growth was a negative (that’s your wealth distribution from the middle class to the poor, ie obama welfare), over regulation, poor trade deals, jobs leaving for overseas, combine with a foreign policy which was absolute shit left a lot of People from the American blue collar worker to the American ceo without a lot of optimism. That’s why trump got elected.

So you have said what Obama did,like or not ,what has trump done exactly?


Oh and that is not why trump got elected.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So you have said what Obama did,like or not ,what has trump done exactly?


Oh and that is not why trump got elected.

Oh you wrong, that is exactly why voters chose him.

Trump has certainly energized the economy...CEO/Boards optimism shot thru the roof about many things: de-reg, loosen restricted compliance and govt interference, low tax environment, financials loosen cash/lending more, etc...

This drives major decisions, everything from hiring, expansion, risk environment mitigation, instead of hoarding cash...companies reinvest and drives loan portfolios, simply more cash up and down, etc.

I told you before I know someone in who said in my area, 3 major construction project green lit after trump elected. Hadnt seen that in years...maybe 1 a year.

OHHHH and the liberals who whined about "brexit" which you don't know why, you were just told to whine like bitches because the media said so....Brexit effect hasn't been bad at all. You got lied too...European economy hasn't sunk or shrunk.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Oh you wrong, that is exactly why voters chose him.

Trump has certainly energized the economy...CEO/Boards optimism shot thru the roof about many things: de-reg, loosen restricted compliance and govt interference, low tax environment, financials loosen cash/lending more, etc...

This drives major decisions, everything from hiring, expansion, risk environment mitigation, instead of hoarding cash...companies reinvest and drives loan portfolios, simply more cash up and down, etc.

I told you before I know someone in who said in my area, 3 major construction project green lit after trump elected. Hadnt seen that in years...maybe 1 a year.

OHHHH and the liberals who whined about "brexit" which you don't know why, you were just told to whine like bitches because the media said so....Brexit effect hasn't been bad at all. You got lied too...European economy hasn't sunk or shrunk.

Brexit hasn't even gone into effect yet, and won't for at least another year. So yeah...

Also, as for your economy statement, I am absolutely not sitting here saying Trump hasn't improved the economy.

All I'm saying is every other sin is forgiveable to you/his fanbase as long as the economy improves.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Brexit hasn't even gone into effect yet, and won't for at least another year. So yeah...

Also, as for your economy statement, I am absolutely not sitting here saying Trump hasn't improved the economy.

All I'm saying is every other sin is forgiveable to you/his fanbase as long as the economy improves.

I certainly am a Trump supporter, and I guess I would have to say yes - so far.

I haven't seen anything at all that rises to the amount of hysterical coverage he has received. Admittedly, I tend to ignore his grandiose hyperbole, and try to look at the point he is making, so when he says it's the greatest blahdeblah ever, I ignore that statement nearly every time. And I support the basics of his agenda, even (maybe especially) the ones that the liberal progressive group decry as ending the world as we know it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Brexit hasn't even gone into effect yet, and won't for at least another year. So yeah...

Also, as for your economy statement, I am absolutely not sitting here saying Trump hasn't improved the economy.

All I'm saying is every other sin is forgiveable to you/his fanbase as long as the economy improves.

Chico , Brexit???


Lets look at trump s hiring.............

Donald Trump: Boeing Factory Announced Layoffs



Final round of layoffs planned at Carrier plant Trump promised to save - Story | WTXF


Wall Street.
https://www.npr.org/2017/07/20/53835...-a-trump-rally
From July


"But there are other forces driving the stock rally "that are not attributable to Trump, at all," Siegel says. One is faster global growth. That, combined with a recent decline in the value of the dollar, has sparked more demand for U.S. goods abroad, helping boost U.S. company profits.

"Almost 40 percent of the profits of S&P 500 companies come from abroad," Siegel says. So, a stronger global economy is boosting U.S. stock prices.

U.S. growth is still sluggish — a 1.4 percent rate in the first quarter — and far below the Trump administration's goal of 3 percent.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Chico , Brexit???


Lets look at trump s hiring.............

Donald Trump: Boeing Factory Announced Layoffs



Final round of layoffs planned at Carrier plant Trump promised to save - Story | WTXF


Wall Street.
https://www.npr.org/2017/07/20/53835...-a-trump-rally
From July


"But there are other forces driving the stock rally "that are not attributable to Trump, at all," Siegel says. One is faster global growth. That, combined with a recent decline in the value of the dollar, has sparked more demand for U.S. goods abroad, helping boost U.S. company profits.

"Almost 40 percent of the profits of S&P 500 companies come from abroad," Siegel says. So, a stronger global economy is boosting U.S. stock prices.

U.S. growth is still sluggish — a 1.4 percent rate in the first quarter — and far below the Trump administration's goal of 3 percent.

So the first quarter was 1.4%, and we all agree that Trump didn't take office till mid January, so not much chance of an impact.

The 2nd quarter - maybe a little impact? -

U.S. economic growth revised up to 3.1% rate in Q2. WASHINGTON — The U.S. economy grew at an upgraded annual rate of 3.1% in the spring, the fastest pace in more than two years. But growth is expected to slow sharply this quarter in the wake of a string of devastating hurricanes.Sep 28, 2017
U.S. economic growth revised up to 3.1% rate in Q2 - USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money....../711674001/

The 3rd quarter - still some maybe, but like the quote says, expect it to slow because of the hurricanes -

First reading on third-quarter GDP up 3.0%, vs 2.5% rise expected

The last 4 years of Pres. Obama's tenure, the real growth was 2012 : 2.2%, 2013 : 1.7%, 14 : 2.4% 15:2.6% 16: 1.6%.

Is Trump fully responsible, of course not, but if the economy was in the dumps I know that without a doubt, the spin would be Pres. Obama had a stable economy in place and Trump ruined it.

I do think Pres Obama and the Republican congress, and of course the Fed Reserve, kept the economy on a low growth even keel trend. I believe, based on my understanding of how Pres Obama often described the economy, that he believes that a slower growth course is best, and I think that corporate decision makers knew that. I believe they also know that Trump wants to see more extensive growth, and they are acting on that belief, and expectation that the economy will be allowed to grow more robustly under a Trump administration then was allowed under the Obama administration.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by mooby

This should be an interesting argument. Where is the line of "this economy is Obama's fault" and "this improved economy is because of Trump" and how did you reach that conclusion?

All of this. Would it make sense to start a “what has trump tangibly done?” Thread?

Like I just want the facts. I’m gleaning some stuff from unbiased sources and he hasn’t done shit that’s beyond self fellatating or being a fat fuck who acts like he’s tough but had the thinnest skin of anyone of all time.

[mooby]

I can tell you what he's done, according to some guy who has a Secret Service agent giving him inside info. Trump apparently likes his steaks well done with ketchup lolol.

Now before you snowflakes get upset about me cracking a joke about what Trump likes to eat, recognize at best it's a joke, at worst it's irrelevant to this discussion. In the words of some white guy, chillax.