By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[MTK]

I’m not excusing anything, we flat out stunk the last 2 games. It doesn’t change the fact we have a ton of injuries. I’m not going to lay it all on JG while overlooking how he had this team competing pretty much all year outside of the last 2.

[Schneed10]

After four years you guys are ready to say this is the best we can do? Bump our heads on 9-7? If we're fully healthy all year, and things break our way, we can maybe get to 10-6.

That's what you could hope for next year. Because every year a Gruden team lays a few inexplicable eggs. Cincinatti in London. Giants Week 17 last year.

You're signing up for mediocrity. And you're also crazy.

[skinsfan69]

Mid season firings never really work but Gruden should have been fired after the Saints game. The last two games only confirms that he's not HC material. His own players don't even know their assignments, and these aren't guys that are just coming off the street either.

The injuries have hurt but last week was a non competitive team that looked like they didn't want to be there, coming off a long layoff. I've never seen a defense give up 350 yards in a half in an NFL game. Last week's effort was inexcusable, just like the Saints game was.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Mid season firings never really work but Gruden should have been fired after the Saints game. The last two games only confirms that he's not HC material. His own players don't even know their assignments, and these aren't guys that are just coming off the street either.

The injuries have hurt but last week was a non competitive team that looked like they didn't want to be there, coming off a long layoff. I've never seen a defense give up 350 yards in a half in an NFL game. Last week's effort was inexcusable, just like the Saints game was.

I can understand wanting him gone after the Chargers game.
But after the Saints game? His team came a few mistakes away from beating one of the best teams in the NFL while being one the (if not THE) most injured teams in the league and you want the HC gone at that time ?

[skinsfaninok]

The saints game was it for me, the fact that we had a chance to make a playoff run even with the injuries, BUT you as a team choke away a 15 PT lead with 4 mins left...

Then the HC says "I just don't understand" or "we have to find ways to win" That to me shows he's in over his head, I'm not saying he's a shit coach but he isn't HC material.

Also the year we went 9-7 and won the pathetic east, we had NO big time injuries, Jordan Reed was a monster and Romo got injured early on or else Dallas probably would have won it that yr.

Jay is 26-34 as a HC, that isn't terrible but it isn't good either.

He is what his record says he is, very rarely do you see guys turn it around and become great head coaches. BB doesn't count.

Sean Mcvay has turned a complete 180 around in LA, that team was horrible for the last 10 plus years, he comes in and proves hes one of the next big time coaches in the NFL.

Same as Doug P, look at what he has done in Philly.

Hell even Jason Garrett who most Dallas fans want gone every yr has a winning record.

[Schneed10]

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

I got an idea. Let's call three consecutive fades.

To be fair, they've gotten a bit better this year. Cousins has improved in his ability to extend plays.

But the tendency to use Cousins as a runner around the goalline is scary. It's going to get him hurt. Those read option calls can be effective but I feel like Jay uses them as a crutch.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He also has one of the worst RZ % over that 4 year span, we are in the bottom 10 over the years in RZ scoring, that won't beat many teams

The Redskins are near the bottom in that time span converting 3rd or 4th and 2 or less, that will lead to issues in the red zone.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

The Redskins are near the bottom in that time span converting 3rd or 4th and 2 or less, that will lead to issues in the red zone.

hello...no running game. one day we will figure it out. Strong Running, Strong Defense wins games

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gruden's record with McVay and his record without McVay speaks volumes.

His complete inability to field a competitive defense over FOUR SEASONS also is damning. He doesn't know how to hire a defensive coordinator.

Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.

Again I'd rather have Jerry Jones run my team

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Again I'd rather have Jerry Jones run my team

I haven't seen anything to brag about with Jerry Jones. Yes, the Cowboys have had a couple really good seasons in the past decade. They have also had several losing seasons and 8-8 seasons.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I haven't seen anything to brag about with Jerry Jones. Yes, the Cowboys have had a couple really good seasons in the past decade. They have also had several losing seasons and 8-8 seasons.

They are 20 games over 500 in the last 10 years, I'd take that.

He also knows how to build a team, they have a ton of young talent at key positions.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Because Gruden doesn't have the power to hire his defensive coordinator. Bruce Allen does all the hiring and firing. He may have Gruden involved in the interview process, but Allen ultimately decides who he wants in there coaching. That is all on Bruce Allen, NOT on Jay Gruden.

That's not accurate. Jay selected Manusky.