By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[KI Skins Fan]

We need a well-qualified, capable GM who has full authority over all football operations personnel. Only that person should evaluate Jay Gruden and make any decisions about Jay's future here. Until that happens, there is nothing to be gained by firing Jay. So I vote no.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We need a well-qualified, capable GM who has full authority over all football operations personnel. Only that person should evaluate Jay Gruden and make any decisions about Jay's future here. Until that happens, there is nothing to be gained by firing Jay. So I vote no.

Well that person is Doug Williams and he is qualified. Whether he has the power to do things his way is another story.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well that person is Doug Williams and he is qualified. Whether he has the power to do things his way is another story.

Taking a very cautious wait and see approach woth Williams .....

[HTTR]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

We need a well-qualified, capable GM who has full authority over all football operations personnel. Only that person should evaluate Jay Gruden and make any decisions about Jay's future here. Until that happens, there is nothing to be gained by firing Jay. So I vote no.

Agreed. Firing Gruden now just reinforces the idea that Snyder and Allen are the true brain trust of the team while coaches are expendable commodities who come and go. If I thought either of them had a line on a true, proven A-list coach as a replacement for JG, then sure, go for it. But we all know that this is not the case. The Gruden replacement would be just another Gruden or likely worse.

The biggest Skins debacle in the past 10 years was betting the farm on RG3. Not only did we not get a QB out of that, but we lost a bunch of #1 picks. We are still paying for that in lack of depth. JG helped extricate us from that blunder and earned some independence and credibility with our FO. A new coach starts with neither.

And while I agree that Gruden has looked lost at times (maybe more like pissed off and frustrated), you also have to consider how fired up and prepared we were vs Raiders, Chiefs, and Saints. The absence of a running game and WRs, plus injuries, eventually doomed us, but I saw the start of something that looked like swagger; players were giving their all, they (including 2nd and 3rd stringers) just aren't that good.

The one player who has given us any hope is Cousins, developed mostly by Gruden. And if he goes, we'll need to develop another QB.

This doesn't mean I think JG is an A-list coach, just that he's got something going on that can be built on. The idea of blowing things up again and turning back to Snyder and Allen to fix it is desperate and delusional.

[Buffalo Bob]

A person with an offensive background should be able to draw a play in the dirt that can get a yard on 3rd & 1 or 4th & 1 yet Gruden can't. The Redskins are 3rd in total offensive yards, yet 14th in scoring, something is wrong with that picture. That and all the injuries, I think they are more than just coincidence. In the game against the Giants for every Giant that limped off the field 3 Redskins did. Can his butt if someone better is available.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by HTTR

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And while I agree that Gruden has looked lost at times (maybe more like pissed off and frustrated), you also have to consider how fired up and prepared we were vs Raiders, Chiefs, and Saints. The absence of a running game and WRs, plus injuries, eventually doomed us, but I saw the start of something that looked like swagger; players were giving their all, they (including 2nd and 3rd stringers) just aren't that good.

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Don't forget about the Seahawks game.

I really don't think Jay Gruden is a guy that doesn't get his player ready to play overall. Not saying it never happened but overall I wouldn't say that.

The one I'm not happy with is the WR coach Ike Illiard. Between Crowder's drops, Pryor complete inability to do anything and Docston's struggles, his squad's effort this year is pathetic !

I'd be glad to see a change there.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Everyone keeps saying, "If you keep Jay, you'll continue mediocrity."

Kind of like elite QBs, there aren't many elite coaches out there either. Obviously it's all a package deal. Could Gruden go into Philly right now and do what they're doing? I would like to think so. As I said in another thread, could Belichek come down here and fix us? Probably not. It's a mixture of talent, coaching and intangibles, and it's rare when you can just fire a coach, get another, and suddenly be amazing.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Everyone keeps saying, "If you keep Jay, you'll continue mediocrity."

Kind of like elite QBs, there aren't many elite coaches out there either. Obviously it's all a package deal. Could Gruden go into Philly right now and do what they're doing? I would like to think so. As I said in another thread, could Belichek come down here and fix us? Probably not. It's a mixture of talent, coaching and intangibles, and it's rare when you can just fire a coach, get another, and suddenly be amazing.

Good post. It's not like we're a dumpster fire, we're almost there, the things that make us lose are stupid mistakes that are fixable in one off season.

The fact that we almost beat the saints with all the injuries we have says we shouldn't swipe it all IMO.

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[skinsfan69]

I think if Belichick was given full control here he'd turn things around. The two areas where he's hands down better than Gruden are game management and attention to detail. Those two things alone are probably worth 2 more wins.

[skinsfan69]

An example of lack of detail / Gruden... at the end of the Saints game we had two players off the line standing around doing nothing on that last FG. Why wasn't a FG block called? What good was it having guys standing around on the last play of the game like they were waiting for a fake? It's things like that that tell me he's not top HC material.

We've also been behind late in games and he's having the offense huddle. Just basic simple things where he lacks awareness.

Idk...I've just seen enough to know he's just an average coach. If I'm Snyder I'm canning Gruden and the guy that hired him, or remove Bruce from any football decisions. Get on the phone w/ Harbaugh cause he's proven, offer whatever it takes to get him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

An example of lack of detail / Gruden... at the end of the Saints game we had two players off the line standing around doing nothing on that last FG. Why wasn't a FG block called? What good was it having guys standing around on the last play of the game like they were waiting for a fake? It's things like that that tell me he's not top HC material.

We've also been behind late in games and he's having the offense huddle. Just basic simple things where he lacks awareness.

Idk...I've just seen enough to know he's just an average coach. If I'm Snyder I'm canning Gruden and the guy that hired him, or remove Bruce from any football decisions. Get on the phone w/ Harbaugh cause he's proven, offer whatever it takes to get him.

Jay just looks lost most games, he has that "shit what do I do now " look. I think he's a good coach but is more like a Garrett, someone that can get u to the playoffs here and there but isn't like an Andy Reid where he is consistently a winner. The whole season was jacked by a drama filled OS once again. This team loves drama.

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[SFREDSKIN]

Bit of good news, trying to extend Zach Brown.

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington...rown-111611006

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Bit of good news, trying to extend Zach Brown.

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington...rown-111611006

Good move by the FO.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Jay just looks lost most games, he has that "shit what do I do now " look. I think he's a good coach but is more like a Garrett, someone that can get u to the playoffs here and there but isn't like an Andy Reid where he is consistently a winner. The whole season was jacked by a drama filled OS once again. This team loves drama.

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Andy Reid is Marty Shottenheimer II, what has he done besides choke? Look at today and their season. Keep Gruden!!

[skinsfaninok]

I have come to conclusion and say give Jay 1 more yr. If it's another bad season then he's done. I'll give Him the injuries this yr.

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