By Popular Demand. Should the Skins FIRE Jay Gruden? Thread

[DYoungJelly]

This probably belongs in another thread, but I just read on ESPN that Trent Williams is going to grind out the rest of the season, knowing he is going to have surgery as soon as the season ends.

Washington Redskins- ESPN

If this is true, this is so damn stupid. Surgeries have complications all the time and the extra recovery time would increase the odds he is 100% at the beginning of next season.

We literally have nothing to play for, there are tons of people on IR, and we don't put one of our top players who will 100% have to have a surgical procedure on IR. Infuriating!

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

This probably belongs in another thread, but I just read on ESPN that Trent Williams is going to grind out the rest of the season, knowing he is going to have surgery as soon as the season ends.

Washington Redskins- ESPN

If this is true, this is so damn stupid. Surgeries have complications all the time and the extra recovery time would increase the odds he is 100% at the beginning of next season.

We literally have nothing to play for, there are tons of people on IR, and we don't put one of our top players who will 100% have to have a surgical procedure on IR. Infuriating!

He should have the surgery now and be recovered by the start of next season

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

This probably belongs in another thread, but I just read on ESPN that Trent Williams is going to grind out the rest of the season, knowing he is going to have surgery as soon as the season ends.

Washington Redskins- ESPN

If this is true, this is so damn stupid. Surgeries have complications all the time and the extra recovery time would increase the odds he is 100% at the beginning of next season.

We literally have nothing to play for, there are tons of people on IR, and we don't put one of our top players who will 100% have to have a surgical procedure on IR. Infuriating!

Not going to kill Trent for this cause he'll have plenty of time to heal up and be ready for training camp. He wants to be out there with his teammates to help try and win some games. That's what he's paid to do and I applaud him for that.

[WillH]

I think the argument that a 4 years win-loss record is enough to say he's not the guy needs to be thrown out.

Maybe you have other reasons to believe that Gruden isn't the right guy for the redskins, but his record should not be one of them. It is very rare for a head coach to come out and make a team a superbowl winner and perennial playoff contender in 4 years, look at these hall of cane coaches below.

Record in First 4 years as NFL head coach:

Bill Belichick- 36-44
Chuck Noll- 23-33
Bill Walsh- 24-33
Tom Landry- 13-38

Need I go on?

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[jamf]

I don’t buy it.
Those guys didn’t have franchise(hall of fame) QBs starting the first few years.

Walsh had Steve DeBerg but didn’t win till Montana played.
Noll had shit.
Landry had Meredith who was ok but not Roger Staubach.
Belichek and the Browns....

Gruden has his Franchise QB.
He has a pro bowl QB and deserves credit got getting KC to that level but we aren’t winning.

KC isn’t a HOF QB but he’s probably the best Gruden will ever get to work with as a HC.

Grudens time is now.

Originally Posted by WillH

I think the argument that a 4 years win-loss record is enough to say he's not the guy needs to be thrown out.

Maybe you have other reasons to believe that Gruden isn't the right guy for the redskins, but his record should not be one of them. It is very rare for a head coach to come out and make a team a superbowl winner and perennial playoff contender in 4 years, look at these hall of cane coaches below.

Record in First 4 years as NFL head coach:

Bill Belichick- 36-44
Chuck Noll- 23-33
Bill Walsh- 24-33
Tom Landry- 13-38

Need I go on?

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[punch it in]

Yes. Jay is an Arena League amateur. The real question should be does he deserve to finish the season.

[SolidSnake84]

Yes, i think the respectful thing to do is let Gruden coach until the end of the season, and then fire him following the conclusion of the final game.

It is already a lost season. I want to say that it cannot get worse, but there always seems to be a way for us to end up worse.

I don't agree a lot with what the junkies have to say, but they have suggested benching Cousins for the rest of the year so that you don't risk him taking a bad injury behind our horrible O-Line. However they pointed out doing that only if they ARE 100% SURE - that they want Cousins to be their long term guy.

On a side note, not sure how Cousins feels about Gruden. He certainly must appreciate Gruden for giving him his chance to be the starter, and for believing in him, but he obviously feels like he owes McVay far more - he sent that framed Jersey to McVay that said "I owe you my career"... If Cousins has ever made quotes about his relationship with JG or anything of that nature, i must have missed it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes. Jay is an Arena League amateur. The real question should be does he deserve to finish the season.

Yes firing him now is stupid.

I was watching Gruden's coaches show last week and Cooley was kind of getting on him about why he doesn't do the QB sneak. He said Cousins doesn't have thick legs like Dalton does so that's why he hates it. Yet in the Saints game Payton had Brees do a sneak to pick up a 4th and less than a yard. Brees is like 6'0 and barely 200lbs. SMFH....

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes firing him now is stupid.

I was watching Gruden's coaches show last week and Cooley was kind of getting on him about why he doesn't do the QB sneak. He said Cousins doesn't have thick legs like Dalton does so that's why he hates it. Yet in the Saints game Payton had Brees do a sneak to pick up a 4th and less than a yard. Brees is like 6'0 and barely 200lbs. SMFH....

We can't run a qb sneak because the qb doesn't have thick legs??? So stupid. I'm betting that Snyder fires him and I don't have to read answers like that anymore.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

We can't run a qb sneak because the qb doesn't have thick legs??? So stupid. I'm betting that Snyder fires him and I don't have to read answers like that anymore.

Yeah he actually said some stupid shit like that, but then watched a QB who's smaller than Cousins pick up a crucial 4th and short.

And don't get me started on the 13 men on the field against our defense on Thursday. How do you have 13 men on the field at this stage of the season? That's pre season shit.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes firing him now is stupid.



I was watching Gruden's coaches show last week and Cooley was kind of getting on him about why he doesn't do the QB sneak. He said Cousins doesn't have thick legs like Dalton does so that's why he hates it. Yet in the Saints game Payton had Brees do a sneak to pick up a 4th and less than a yard. Brees is like 6'0 and barely 200lbs. SMFH....

He should be fired three times. Once for being out of his league, twice for that answer, and a third time for his punchable face.

[sdskinsfan2001]

A lot more No than Yes votes in the poll. Surprising.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Yes firing him now is stupid.

I was watching Gruden's coaches show last week and Cooley was kind of getting on him about why he doesn't do the QB sneak. He said Cousins doesn't have thick legs like Dalton does so that's why he hates it. Yet in the Saints game Payton had Brees do a sneak to pick up a 4th and less than a yard. Brees is like 6'0 and barely 200lbs. SMFH....

Id guess it has to do with not trusting our center, who we signed off the street a month ago. You cant make that guy the point of attack. If gruden did that and we got stuffed, he would get criticized for that.

Our battered O line and center have taken away consistent O line push on run plays and 5-7 drop play calls on passing plays.

Injuries on offense make it hard to game plan each week, with gruden not knowing who can and cant play.

Itd be easier if we just IR'd Reed, Trent, Moses .. so we know a week in advance who is going to be playing.

Hard to grade the coaches at this point imo.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Id guess it has to do with not trusting our center, who we signed off the street a month ago. You cant make that guy the point of attack. If gruden did that and we got stuffed, he would get criticized for that.

Our battered O line and center have taken away consistent O line push on run plays and 5-7 drop play calls on passing plays.

Injuries on offense make it hard to game plan each week, with gruden not knowing who can and cant play.

Itd be easier if we just IR'd Reed, Trent, Moses .. so we know a week in advance who is going to be playing.

Hard to grade the coaches at this point imo.

This seems to be the part people forget, like we expect the same level of production that we got out of Long or Rouiller. Guy has barely been with the team for a month.

Overall good post too OTM, I agree with it in general.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Id guess it has to do with not trusting our center, who we signed off the street a month ago. You cant make that guy the point of attack. If gruden did that and we got stuffed, he would get criticized for that.

The QB sneak has got to be the easiest and most successful plays you can run in the NFL for a lineman.
We aren't asking a center to guard Von Miller at the edge, They just need to snap the ball and go forward. Hell, they don't even have to go forward, just hit a guy and let KC pick a side to dive in.

Check out this article with conversion stats:
The dying art of the QB sneak

The fact that Gruden can't coach a slant or QB sneak pisses me off.