Net Neutrality

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree 100 percent here. That's where I support government intervention, and if others have a potential to make money they will lobby against the monopoly, but if they have no potential to differentiate themselves, they simply won't try.

I just don't see this administration or FCC insisting that the Comcast/Verizon monopolies be broken up. I think it would require something so egregious on the companies' part that the gov't would have no choice but to break them up.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

I just don't see this administration or FCC insisting that the Comcast/Verizon monopolies be broken up. I think it would require something so egregious on the companies' part that the gov't would have no choice but to break them up.

Isn't it more about local governments allowing consumers access? Seems like there are places that allow more ISP competition and some that allow less.

[MTK]

CR, what do you think you’ll stand to gain if net neutrality goes away? Will this be a win for consumers in any way?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

CR, what do you think you’ll stand to gain if net neutrality goes away? Will this be a win for consumers in any way?

As with most capitalistic intentions, IF there is competition for the high end, and also to provide the best low end levels of internet traffic, I would hope we see more innovative packaging, and more providers striving to offer better services at lower prices. Now all this also requires that we don't feed monopolies. That's the biggest risk.

I will say, much like Ma Bell had her place in laying groundwork, or as NASA had it's place in space exploration, Net Neutrality had a place at the early onset of commercial internet. There was big investment required with a very possible Bust of the market. That needs a government lift. But at this point the internet is a flourishing environment, and there are several potentials for startups to advance both the tech and packaging related to it.

[mooby]

If you're a Verizon/Comcast/ATT stockholder, do away with these profit-killing internet regulations! If you're 90% of anyone else, and you understood your prices are only going to up as a result of this, you'd probably be mad. Then there's the 5% like Schneed/Cred where money is no object and they are perfectly fine paying whatever the free market asks them to pay, so they are completely comfortable with NN being repealed.

Also, the problem with Cred's post is the idea that the hospital's data has to lag behind the Warpath's. I'm pretty sure most hospitals already pay their companies whatever the premium is to have high speed data, which means in theory that they should be getting the upload/download rate that is agreed on in the contract.

Really the worst part of all this is all the government money big media has already gotten to deliver high speed internet that they failed on. But nah, you don't see Cred crying about gov't accountability there. If you give a grant to a company and tell them to deliver results you need to follow up on it. Now they're trying to take away the concept that they must treat all internet traffic the same. Well, the only reason I'm looking forward to it is so we can see Cred bitching when his provider tries to charge him an extra $5.99 a month for the "right wing" package that includes Fox News access at the same speeds as whatever liberal media outlet his provider owns.

Don't forget this website, Matty is gonna have to start soliciting bi-weekly donations because his provider is gonna try to charge him more money to keep this place running. But hey, free market capitalism works baby!

[Chico23231]

I’m for net neutrality 100%. I think it could leak into a free speech issue..so I’m hoping this won’t move into a states rights, but a federal policy.

[over the mountain]

Would sites like the warpath get slowed down while sites like ES (which is tied to redskins org) get the fast lane?

Will my firms website get slowed down or have google SEO position dropped bc we are not one of the firms that spend millions on internet advertising/organic search engines etc?

If netflix has to pay extra, wont they just pass the cost onto us?

[Schneed10]

Matty I do sympathize with you as the owner of a web-based operation.

I will say, if I experience slow speeds trying to access the warpath, then that would definitely register on my give a shit meter!

Good thing for you specifically is that this site isn't pumping out videos and large amounts of data - it's just spitting out webpages with text. Luckily I don't think it would hurt you much one way or another.

For those who've got a business that streams music or video content, big concern for sure.

[mooby]

I'm gonna take a stab at today's vote, the 3 Repubs are going to vote yes to repeal and the 2 Dems are going to vote no.

[over the mountain]

Still not sure how a former Verizon lawyer/exec can be chosen to lead the FCC .. thanks Trump.

Thats like a guy who doesnt believe in carbon emissions being selected to lead the branch that regulates carbon emissions.

Or a lady who doesnt believe in supporting public schools chosen to lead public schools.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

Still not sure how a former Verizon lawyer/exec can be chosen to lead the FCC .. thanks Trump.

Thats like a guy who doesnt believe in carbon emissions being selected to lead the branch that regulates carbon emissions.

Or a lady who doesnt believe in supporting public schools chosen to lead public schools.

I agree on the last two, but IIRC Pai wasn't a Trump decision. So really, thanks Obama?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by mooby

I agree on the last two, but IIRC Pai wasn't a Trump decision. So really, thanks Obama?

https://www.politico.com/blogs/donal...hairman-233905

trump appointment.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

https://www.politico.com/blogs/donal...hairman-233905

trump appointment.

Well I stand corrected. Thanks for the clarification.

[CRedskinsRule]

Here is a good opinion article from Tom's Hardware, I don't think it's a political inspired piece, that goes thru net neutrality from a "hey it's not the best thing since ice cream point of view"

Net Neutrality Won't Save the Internet. Competition Will

Judging by what you might have read online, you'd think the world was about to end with the imminent rollback of existing net neutrality rules, due for a vote by the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) on Dec. 14.

The reversal would give "major corporations — like Verizon and Comcast — the power to block mobile apps, slow websites and even control which news outlets we can access," according to the ACLU.

"Comcast, Verizon and AT&T ... want to gut FCC rules and then pass bad legislation that allows extra fees, throttling & censorship," said the digital-activist group Fight for the Future.

The rule change "paves the way for an internet that works more like cable television, where wealthy insiders decide which speakers can reach a broad audience," warned the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

Oh please. I oppose the FCC's proposal to reserve its 2015 decision reclassifying broadband as a utility, but the major internet service providers (ISPs) are not likely to change the way they do business as a result. They make tons of money under the existing rules, and they also made plenty of money before the rules were changed.

"If the internet was not a terrible dystopia in 2014, there's not a ton of reasons to think that companies are going to do any of these awful things that they didn't seem to have any reason to do before," said Julian Sanchez, an analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, on Wisconsin Public Radio last month.
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(emphasis mine) The rest of the article is really good.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Here is a good opinion article from Tom's Hardware, I don't think it's a political inspired piece, that goes thru net neutrality from a "hey it's not the best thing since ice cream point of view"

Net Neutrality Won't Save the Internet. Competition Will

(emphasis mine) The rest of the article is really good.

The problem I have with the whole "they haven't done this before so what means they will now" debate is that companies every day try new concepts to increase profit margins. Americans are going to eat up regardless of whether or not they like it, because the internet is as much a part of people's lives as eating lunch now.