Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As far as Gruden is concerned, I wish he'd just shut up. He needs a lesson in PR and clock management. You NEVER say negative things to the media about your players. Especially the QB. All he had to say is.." Kirk's been a good QB for us the last few years and if he stays we think he can take his game to the next level"...just something like that. He's such a dummy sometimes with his comments.

I couldn't agree more. What the hell is he thinking? I have to think he know's something that we don't.

Gibbs would never do that. That's why he was able to work with the likes of John Riggins.

[irish]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

I couldn't agree more. What the hell is he thinking? I have to think he know's something that we don't.

Gibbs would never do that. That's why he was able to work with the likes of John Riggins.

I know I'm in the minority but I find it refreshing to have a coach who will candidly answer question instead of just giving the usual BS non-answer answer. Its a cant win for these guys, when they answer honestly they are ripped for being honest and not giving a PC answer. When they give a BS non-answer they are ripped for giving what everyone knows is a non-answer. I like and appreciate that JG seems to be an open and honest coach.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by irish

I know I'm in the minority but I find it refreshing to have a coach who will candidly answer question instead of just giving the usual BS non-answer answer. Its a cant win for these guys, when they answer honestly they are ripped for being honest and not giving a PC answer. When they give a BS non-answer they are ripped for giving what everyone knows is a non-answer. I like and appreciate that JG seems to be an open and honest coach.

This. I believe this quality is appreciated my the players as well. No one gets a free pass and I would bet most of the players feel the same way as JG on this particular issue.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

I know I'm in the minority but I find it refreshing to have a coach who will candidly answer question instead of just giving the usual BS non-answer answer. Its a cant win for these guys, when they answer honestly they are ripped for being honest and not giving a PC answer. When they give a BS non-answer they are ripped for giving what everyone knows is a non-answer. I like and appreciate that JG seems to be an open and honest coach.

Personally I don't rip him for being honest... I just think it tells he doesn't believe in Kirk that much, and it amazes me (in a bad way).

And I don't think that's reading too much out of it: I went back and listen to this segment again, in the same sentence he praises TW, Brandon Scherff and RK who are "Pro Bowl type guys" and are among the "few guys obviously that jump out".

So even when the team is 7-9, there are some players that you can say without any hesitation had a solid season? But not Kirk?

I'm sorry but that tells me he doesn't believe in him.

Because by that standard you could say that TW Scherff and RK "played well at times"... Even they had bad plays, RK disappeared in some games, Scherff wasn't ALWAYS that great in the run game, TW was awesome even when hurt but he did gave away some sacks...

I think these 3 are really good players but I think Kirk is right there with them.

He's part of why we're not 4-13, he's not part of why we're not 11-5, so to hear the HC sort of pin the 7-9 season on him is unfair and not a good sign if you hope Kirk's staying here.

(Didn't read the article but here's a video of the segment I'm talking about: Jay Gruden wasn't overly critical of Kirk Cousins, but he was honest | NBC Sports Washington )

[irish]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Personally I don't rip him for being honest... I just think it tells he doesn't believe in Kirk that much, and it amazes me (in a bad way).

And I don't think that's reading too much out of it: I went back and listen to this segment again, in the same sentence he praises TW, Brandon Scherff and RK who are "Pro Bowl type guys" and are among the "few guys obviously that jump out".

So even when the team is 7-9, there are some players that you can say without any hesitation had a solid season? But not Kirk?

I'm sorry but that tells me he doesn't believe in him.

Because by that standard you could say that TW Scherff and RK "played well at times"... Even they had bad plays, RK disappeared in some games, Scherff wasn't ALWAYS that great in the run game, TW was awesome even when hurt but he did gave away some sacks...

I think these 3 are really good players but I think Kirk is right there with them.

He's part of why we're not 4-13, he's not part of why we're not 11-5, so to hear the HC sort of pin the 7-9 season on him is unfair and not a good sign if you hope Kirk's staying here.

(Didn't read the article but here's a video of the segment I'm talking about: Jay Gruden wasn't overly critical of Kirk Cousins, but he was honest | NBC Sports Washington )

Kirk has been his starter for what 3 years and yet somehow JG doesn't believe in him because of a comment or two. I think people are looking waaay too deep into all of this. If JG didn't believe in Kirk then he wouldn't be the starting QB.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

Kirk has been his starter for what 3 years and yet somehow JG doesn't believe in him because of a comment or two. I think people are looking waaay too deep into all of this. If JG didn't believe in Kirk then he wouldn't be the starting QB.

Agree. I think it's because most people are much, much more sensitive than NFL players and coaches are.

If you can't handle an honest assessment of your performance and handle constructive criticism then the NFL isn't for you. Don't project your mamby pamby sensibilities on Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden. They're in the NFL for a reason, one of which is they've got bigger onions than you.

Gruden likes Cousins. Gruden wants Cousins. But he's right in pointing out Cousins had some stinkers. It doesn't mean Cousins hates Gruden or hates being a Redskin.

Same goes for the overblown bullshit about Snyder snubbing him for RG3 after Cousins won that game as a rookie against the Browns. Overblown nonsense. Just because you're a drama queen doesn't mean these guys are.

Cousins will simply weigh all of his options. If he leaves, then it will be on Gruden Snyder and Allen to look in the mirror and realize that the Redskins aren't the model franchise they'd all like it to be. It would be yet another dose of constructive criticism. They wouldn't curl up with a blanket, a pint of Ben & Jerry's and have a good cry. They'd take it on the chin and get to work. Hopefully by firing Allen.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agree. I think it's because most people are much, much more sensitive than NFL players and coaches are.

If you can't handle an honest assessment of your performance and handle constructive criticism then the NFL isn't for you. Don't project your mamby pamby sensibilities on Kirk Cousins and Jay Gruden. They're in the NFL for a reason, one of which is they've got bigger onions than you.

Gruden likes Cousins. Gruden wants Cousins. But he's right in pointing out Cousins had some stinkers. It doesn't mean Cousins hates Gruden or hates being a Redskin.

Same goes for the overblown bullshit about Snyder snubbing him for RG3 after Cousins won that game as a rookie against the Browns. Overblown nonsense. Just because you're a drama queen doesn't mean these guys are.

Cousins will simply weigh all of his options. If he leaves, then it will be on Gruden Snyder and Allen to look in the mirror and realize that the Redskins aren't the model franchise they'd all like it to be. It would be yet another dose of constructive criticism. They wouldn't curl up with a blanket, a pint of Ben & Jerry's and have a good cry. They'd take it on the chin and get to work. Hopefully by firing Allen.

I don't think these comments hurt Kirk's feeling. If they did I don't care, it's a business. I just think by comparing those comments to others and trying to read the situation you can deduct things... Granted you can also be wrong doing so.

Btw, as Kevin Sheehan pointed out yesterday, Kirk did say during his charity event that he was surprised Jay pinned the 7 - 9 season on him.

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by irish

Kirk has been his starter for what 3 years and yet somehow JG doesn't believe in him because of a comment or two. I think people are looking waaay too deep into all of this. If JG didn't believe in Kirk then he wouldn't be the starting QB.

He believes "he's a very good QB, but ...". He believes he's good but he doesn't seem to be all in on "Pay the guy I want him back at any price".

And maybe he's right. I don't know. All I'm saying is I'm not sure he's as high on Kirk as the narrative was last season.

And maybe a HC shouldn't be crazy high on any player, maybe it's ok. It's just a bit disappointing when you really want Kirk to be back.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by irish

I know I'm in the minority but I find it refreshing to have a coach who will candidly answer question instead of just giving the usual BS non-answer answer. Its a cant win for these guys, when they answer honestly they are ripped for being honest and not giving a PC answer. When they give a BS non-answer they are ripped for giving what everyone knows is a non-answer. I like and appreciate that JG seems to be an open and honest coach.

I see where you're coming from. But it's hard for me to believe that Gruden is not aware that the media is always in a "feeding frenzy" always looking for drama. Their like starving sharks they can never get enough. Have a little discretion. Take Kirk into your office and tell him exactly what's on your mind. But when you're talking to the media, know it's the media you're talking to and have some discretion.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

I couldn't agree more. What the hell is he thinking? I have to think he know's something that we don't.

Gibbs would never do that. That's why he was able to work with the likes of John Riggins.

You're right and that's what I loved about Joe. He would never ever say anything that would create controversy.