Cousins Saga 4.0. Is he done in DC?

[Schneed10]

QB is definitely a dependent position and I think Cousins has been helped by the talent around him in our offense. I think there are a lot of QBs that can do a lot of what Cousins has done in our offense.

We have an excellent - excellent - pass protecting line when it's healthy. This year it obviously wasn't healthy and Cousins took the 6th most sacks in the league. But otherwise it's been good.

But if you put Case Keenum in this situation, I think he could do a lot of the same stuff.
He's got the same quick release as Cousins and the same brainy approach to quickly reading a defense and identifying the open man. To be fair to Cousins he was under pressure a lot this year and still made a lot of plays. The one in Dallas where he hit Crowder while falling on his ass comes to mind as a pretty impressive one.

So Cousins can elevate you a little beyond what your protection provides you, but it's important to keep in perspective that it's not by all that much. That's why we all come to the conclusion that you can win with him, but not because of him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

QB is definitely a dependent position and I think Cousins has been helped by the talent around him in our offense. I think there are a lot of QBs that can do a lot of what Cousins has done in our offense.

We have an excellent - excellent - pass protecting line when it's healthy. This year it obviously wasn't healthy and Cousins took the 6th most sacks in the league. But otherwise it's been good.

But if you put Case Keenum in this situation, I think he could do a lot of the same stuff.
He's got the same quick release as Cousins and the same brainy approach to quickly reading a defense and identifying the open man. To be fair to Cousins he was under pressure a lot this year and still made a lot of plays. The one in Dallas where he hit Crowder while falling on his ass comes to mind as a pretty impressive one.

So Cousins can elevate you a little beyond what your protection provides you, but it's important to keep in perspective that it's not by all that much. That's why we all come to the conclusion that you can win with him, but not because of him.

Other than Brady and Rodgers what QBs do team win because of? The answer is none.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

Other than Brady and Rodgers what QBs do team win because of? The answer is none.

I'd add Wentz and Russell Wilson to the "because of" list.

But don't oversimplify, it's not black and while like these QBs you win "because of", and these you win "with".

Some create a ton of plays on their own, some create some on their own, some create a little on their own, and some create none on their own.

Like Roethlisberger isn't on the level of Brady Rodgers and Wentz in my mind but I'd gladly take him over Cousins any day. When you're that big and can extend plays it adds a lot of value. But yeah he's not going to do it on his own, he needs Antonio Brown and that line and LeVeon.

Cousins is good and we should try to retain him but we need to keep in perspective that his ceiling is probably a Matt Ryan career. If everything breaks right on the team around him, you can succeed.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by irish

Other than Brady and Rodgers what QBs do team win because of? The answer is none.

This is pretty much true, there is only a few ELITE guys

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

This is pretty much true, there is only a few ELITE guys

If you like a black and white world, I guess