Redskins Offseason Thread

[MTK]

I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market

Agreed. Some already are available.

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[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don’t think we’re done looking at guards, a decent vet could easily hit the market

Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Could?

That is great planning by our FO. Could.

I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.

I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.

Should, feel better?

They obviously felt that bigger holes needed to be addressed in the draft

Doesn’t mean the process of filling out the roster is over

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Could?
That is great planning by our FO. Could.
I see how this works, we could win the Super Bowl.
I am sorry Matty, I do not mean to come off as an asshole to you. I am just tired of our FO putting us in this situation for two years in a row. We fail twice to properly address this huge hole in our starting line up.

You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by metalskins

You don't necessarily use the draft to address a need. By that, I'm saying, you don't reach for a guy and draft him higher, even though he would fill an area of need, you'd draft the best player available at the spot or the best player on your draft board at that time. Sometimes, the position you have a need for has a player, who's the best pick at that spot, and you draft him. Sometimes, it doesn't happen that way.

For example, there is a position you really need filled - let's say it's CB. You're picking 54th. There is a CB that is available and he's rated to go, no worse than 54th. Let's say there's an ILB, who's rated to go 34th, but for some reason or another, he fell in the draft and is available. Well, let's say you don't have a need at ILB, and your draft board says you draft that corner at 54th. This would be the case in which you draft for need. You're not reaching for the guy, he was rated to be drafted at, or earlier, than your pick and is available.

But on the flipside, say that CB was rated to go 72nd in the draft, you're picking 54th. You're not reaching for that corner, even though that would fill and area of need. You're either trading down the draft and picking up more picks and possibly trading down far enough to still draft the CB, or you're drafting best player available, which could be that ILB that was rated to go 34th. Do you understand how it works?

It appears that the front office ignores some areas of need, but you also have to understand that you can't go out and fill every single area of need in one or two drafts. Even then, sometimes free agency fills that need, or sometimes you find diamonds in the rough free agents out of college that go undrafted. Remember, this is where Bobby Beathard buttered his bread (wanted that to be a tongue twister lol!) It wasn't that he was going out and filling those teams with first round and second round picks. He was, often, filling those championship squads with diamonds in the rough guys; guys traded from other teams, undrafted guys, guys from the USFL, etc...

Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Check out Joe Jacoby as maybe the best Redskins example of a successful UDFA.

Absolutely excellent example!

[Chico23231]

One thing that should be said is we cant expect to get everything we need in the draft...simply rarely happens. Also, we didn't reach and got guys we believe in..

When looking at totals, its pretty shocking to me...not a lot of actual Guards drafted:

2018 NFL Draft Results by Position - Offensive Guards - ESPN

5 in the first 2 rounds...none in the 3rd/4th...5 taken in the late rounds. Simply not enough talent.

And in the first two rounds, Austin Corbett was a god aweful, terrible reach from the Browns. Conner Williams has never played Guard and is projected there...meaning he is a project and not a strong prospect.

[Irrefutable]

The Redskins UDFAs signed ;
#2 RB
#3 OL
#6 TE
#4 DB

Top undrafted free agents following the 2018 NFL Draft - NFL.com

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

The way some of you talk you'd think we were going out there with a HS roster, remember we were the number 1 rush defense before Allen and Ionnadis got hurt. No matter what we do it seems like half of you will complain to the point of non sense.

I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??

[jamf]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??

The problem is Jay Gruden doesn't know who his own LG will be week 1.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by jamf

The problem is Jay Gruden doesn't know who his own LG will be week 1.

Week 1 is 4 months from now, there are multiple camps and pre-season to figure that out

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

The way some of you talk you'd think we were going out there with a HS roster, remember we were the number 1 rush defense before Allen and Ionnadis got hurt. No matter what we do it seems like half of you will complain to the point of non sense.

I wonder everyone is in agreement it seems that the Cowboys have the best OL in football, without looking it up how many of you could tell me who the LG is??

Collins? IDK tho

[ethat001]

Random thought.. is Eric Reid any good? vs our existing safeties? he's filed a grievance against league related to colusion etc so that sucks - but he's a capable young player and if we nab him at a team friendly deal could mitigate some of the newbie play at CB.. unless montae is definitely legit

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by ethat001

Random thought.. is Eric Reid any good? vs our existing safeties? he's filed a grievance against league related to colusion etc so that sucks - but he's a capable young player and if we nab him at a team friendly deal could mitigate some of the newbie play at CB.. unless montae is definitely legit

No he was a bust