The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guess I’ll ask again, when was the last sign and trade in the NFL let alone a tag and trade? We’re talking about uncharted waters and people are saying it’s highly likely?? Based on what?

Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.

All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.



All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.

There is no doubt in my mind that Dan would pay KC 34M Next yr just so he isn't defeated by getting nothing for KC.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guess I’ll ask again, when was the last sign and trade in the NFL let alone a tag and trade? We’re talking about uncharted waters and people are saying it’s highly likely?? Based on what?

Patriots franchised and traded Cassel in 09. It's not common, but not uncharted.

I can understand the doubt that the Skins could pull off something because the Patriots have, but nevertheless it has been done.

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[CRedskinsRule]

I really want a HISHE episode of the KC contract negotiations when this is all done

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I really want a HISHE episode of the KC contract negotiations when this is all done

HISHE would be awesome. Ever see bangcartoons on bangcartoonradiohour.com? They would be great, too.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

HISHE would be awesome. Ever see bangcartoons on bangcartoonradiohour.com? They would be great, too.

Yeah. They used to get posted on here and were great!

[WillH]

I have been in favor of transition tag, but now I'm thinking Franchising may actually be a no brainer.

Here's the thing. There's already been a lot of interest in Kirk connected to other teams, especially Denver and Cleveland, so you knows there are places that will pay him.

If they go into a tag and trade situation willing to take less than they hope to if it comes down to it, than I think the risk of another year on the tag is very small.

Someone will at least give up their 3rd or even their 4th for Cousins, right? So why let him walk when the absolute best you can get is a next year's third?

If you Franchise him, even if you could get absolutely nothing but a ham sandwich, if you think it's right for the team, you could always let him go to any team that wants him at that point, or maybe he'd see the lack of interest and finally sign long term.

The potential for teams to have to out bid each other is too great not try isn't it?

Essentially, they'd be betting a third rounder next year for a potential for a first this year.

For this not to work out there's only a few possibilities:

1. No one really wants Cousins.

2. Cousins refuses to consider offers from other teams so that he can play on the tag again.

3. Cousins doesn't like the options he has and decides to play on the Tag and see what his options are next year.

4. The skins somehow piss everyone off in a creative way that the make the other teams decide that the best revenge is to refuse to take Cousins out of spite.

I wouldn't put #4 past them, but really how likely do you think any of the scenarios are? Or am I not considering some other factor?

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[MTK]

Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

Another tag is just delaying the inevitable and it’s hard to imagine another team giving up picks in addition to signing him to a monster deal. It’s not like he’s Aaron Rodgers or something. Worst case he walks and we get a compensatory pick, we draft or trade for another QB. The world won’t end if he’s not our starter next season.

What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

What gets me is the overall ineptness of our Front Office in this situation. We drafted Kirk as a backup. He grew into a really good starting QB. He became our guy, the only starting QB caliber player on our team. And the Front Office can't even hold on to him? They didn't see this situation coming, as it was developing? We could have penciled in a good starting QB in our lineup for years, cheaply, from within our own team. Something other teams would love to have the luxury of doing. Instead, the Front Office jerks him around with tag after tag, (overpaying him in the process so if anyone should be mad at the Front Office it's the fans wanting us to build a good team under the cap lol), creating all this uncertainty inside the team and outside tag year after tag year. And for what? So we can let Kirk go in his prime?

tl,dr: Fate basically gift-wrapped a franchise QB to us, and our Front Office couldn't handle the situation.

You know the old saying, hindsight is 20/20. Mike Shanahan knew right away what the Redskins would have in Kirk Cousins, and that's why he lobbied to draft Cousins. Had the FO listened to Shanahan, the Redskins would've never given up those picks for RGIII, Cousins would've been the guy, we would've gotten him wrapped up on a LTD years ago, much cheaper, and the team would've been in much better shape. Not trying to be a mark for Shanahan, but just starting to see that the more you look at this contract situation with Cousins, the more you see that what Shanahan was saying and doing wasn't wrong.

Anyway, only thing I know is, it's going to be an interesting offseason.