The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Have you watched him play? He seems to be one of those guys that can feel the rush, like he has eyes in the back of his head. He also seems to be able to move well in a confined space and has a quick reaction time. He seems to have a lot of those intangibles you can't teach.

Defenses study tape to know what preferences a qb has in his movements. With no real tape on him, the defenders might be coming at him in more vanilla ways.

He might be great, or good, but the sample size at the end of a season you just can't know for sure.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Agree. Defenses don't even have enough tape on file yet to study his weaknesses. Once they figure out his weaknesses they'll gameplan for him. Then we'll really see how good he is - can he adapt?

It takes 3-4 years of good QB play to know who is really legit or not... Kirk has proven to be that good, been 3 years now... Jimmy G? we'll see in a couple yrs

[sdskinsfan2001]

Cousins saga needs to end so I can get to accurately mock drafting based on our roster. Now I have to do 2 each time, but they both just feel pointless and fake (even tho it's always fake lol).

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by MTK

It’s easy to fall in love with a player over 5 games. Let’s see how he looks over the course of a full season when DC’s have some time to study up on him. Don’t get me wrong I like him, I think we need to pump the brakes on a guy with such a limited sample of games.

Once again I REVERT BACK TO DAK last yr... Even some guys here were saying "dude is going to be a star" and now look... He's avg at best

[Chico23231]

kyle Shanny is a heck of an offensive coach...eager to see how they build the O. Jimmy G is gonna be solid...interested to see who Kyle adds at RB.

[skinsfaninok]

Troy Renck ABC Denver

Reality is #Broncos need to massage salary cap. They will pursue Cousins. But have to have enough money for him and to address other needs. Elway also did not rule out change at WR. As I have said for weeks, it would not be surprise if 1 vet -between DT and Emmanuel- not back.


Would you trade Kirk for DT and a 2nd round pick? Would denver do that?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Troy Renck ABC Denver

Reality is #Broncos need to massage salary cap. They will pursue Cousins. But have to have enough money for him and to address other needs. Elway also did not rule out change at WR. As I have said for weeks, it would not be surprise if 1 vet -between DT and Emmanuel- not back.


Would you trade Kirk for DT and a 2nd round pick? Would denver do that?

Keep DT and give me your 1st or 2nd and 3rd.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Keep DT and give me your 1st or 2nd and 3rd.

I don't think they want to get rid of that 1. If they offer Sanders or DT and a 2 I'd take that

[Schneed10]

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

ehh not if he really really wants out

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

Its the least likely of all the options but its our off season, gotta talk about something. And nothing this franchise does would ever surprise me.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

We really need some education on the rules that govern trading in the NFL.

How you gonna trade Cousins when he's not under contract? Only option: slap the franchise tag on him. If you do that, you know exactly what he'll do, he'll sign it and play on it.

A trade is not going to happen. Get the idea out of your heads.

This is the throw away argument used over and over against the option of sign and trade. I do not discount this perspective, but sign and trade is clearly the best possible outcome if Kirk can't be signed here long term, so I hope that the FO at least takes a very close look at it, so we might as well do the same. In that spirit, these are the questions I have for that argument, that Cousins will most likely just play on the tag:

1. Cousins has said he prefers not to play on a one year deal. He says winning is the most important thing. He has said he wants to be where he's wanted. Even if he's kept the threat open, do you really believe that his plan is get the big pay day by playing on the tag or hitting free agency?

2. Cousins has said that he wants to test the market. He said it last year too, but the Redskins tagged him and seemingly didn't give him permission to seek other offers. If they give him permission this year after tagging him, why wouldn't he do what he's said he wants to do?

3. Cousins either really cares about his public perception, or he is just a genuine guy. Either way, if he were to ignore the Redskins permission to seek other offers, won't negotiate a long term deal here, takes a big one year pay day while hurting his team in the process, and clearly is playing somewhere he doesn't want to be, wouldn't this hurt his image both here and throughout the NFL?

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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by WillH

This is the throw away argument used over and over against the option of sign and trade. I do not discount this perspective, but sign and trade is clearly the best possible outcome if Kirk can't be signed here long term, so I hope that the FO at least takes a very close look at it, so we might as well do the same. In that spirit, these are the questions I have for that argument, that Cousins will most likely just play on the tag:

1. Cousins has said he prefers not to play on a one year deal. He says winning is the most important thing. He has said he wants to be where he's wanted. Even if he's kept the threat open, do you really believe that his plan is get the big pay day by playing on the tag or hitting free agency?

2. Cousins has said that he wants to test the market. He said it last year too, but the Redskins tagged him and seemingly didn't give him permission to seek other offers. If they give him permission this year after tagging him, why wouldn't he do what he's said he wants to do?

3. Cousins either really cares about his public perception, or he is just a genuine guy. Either way, if he were to ignore the Redskins permission to seek other offers, won't negotiate a long term deal here, takes a big one year pay day while hurting his team in the process, and clearly is playing somewhere he doesn't want to be, wouldn't this hurt his image both here and throughout the NFL?

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Exactly, I mean do people not understand that if we don't tag kirk, he walks for nothing in return?? It basically has to be a trade at this point or pay 34M.

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[MTK]

He won’t walk for nothing technically, worst case we get a compensatory pick.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

He won’t walk for nothing technically, worst case we get a compensatory pick.

Right, which is one of the reasons a trade is implausible. If he walks in free agency we get a 2019 3rd rounder as a compensatory pick.

So for a trade to make sense for us, a 3rd rounder is the starting point, and then you have to layer on additional compensation for us to consider taking the risk that Kirk might sign and play under the one year 34M tag deal.

So you’d be asking a team to not only sign Kirk to the largest QB contract in history (because remember nobody is trading for him unless they are assured he’ll sign long term), but also give up a 2nd rounder at minimum.

He’s frankly just not that good. No team will do it.

He will either sign with us, play under our tag again, or walk in free agency. There will be no trade.