The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[MTK]

Cousins would have all the leverage, tagging him would be a disaster

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...g-kirk-cousins

[skinsqc]

Trade him to Cleveland for number 4 pick.

[MTK]

It’s not going to happen.

[calia]

Good luck ever signing a free agent if they try this dumb maneuver. If BA is even thinking about it, it should be a fireable offense. We’d get completely hosed.


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[MTK]

If the team applies tag we’re on the hook for his $34M. It’s just not a realistic situation, we wouldn’t be able to make any moves until he was traded. Honestly I don’t even know why this story is being floated out there since it’s just not plausible.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by MTK

If the team applies tag we’re on the hook for his $34M. It’s just not a realistic situation, we wouldn’t be able to make any moves until he was traded. Honestly I don’t even know why this story is being floated out there since it’s just not plausible.

Yeah exactly this makes no sense. The second the tag is applied he counts $34M, taking us from $36M in space currently to $2M.

So on March 14 when free agency opens, we wouldn’t be able to make a single FA move, not resigning Zach Brown, not Breeland, heck probably can’t even fit Will Compton under that cap.

So the only approach for the Skins would be to apply the tag on February 20, then try to trade him, and then if he’s not traded by March 14 they would have to remove the tag and set him free.

That cap situation makes their position incredibly transparent. If I can look at their cap and understand that they would lose out on Zach Brown and every other FA, so can John Elway and every other GM.

So that’s the Redskins’ position, let’s think about Kirk’s. In the past when tagged, he has signed it right away and played on it. In order to be traded, he would have to sign the tag. If he doesn’t sign it, he can’t be traded (CBA rules).

If he’s traded he would have less say in where he goes. So of course financially, he’d rather get to free agency where a bidding war could ensue. Then, if money’s not as important, he may decide he’d rather be in a winning spot. In such a case, he wouldn’t want a team like Denver to give up pieces it could use to surround him with talent. So being traded really is the last thing he’d want. The only reason for him to play ball with the Skins is out of the goodness of his heart. He won’t do that.

It’s incredibly transparent this is going nowhere. As long as Kirk doesn’t sign the tag, the Skins can’t trade him, and thus the Skins get no free agency. They will apply the tag on Feb 20 and see if he signs it. If he does, then they’re in business and a trade becomes likely. But I think there is no way he will sign it. He’ll wait them out, and they’ll pull the tag off of him.

It’s worth a shot I guess, since there is time between Feb20 and March 14. But we all know this ends with no trade and a free Kirk Cousins.

[mooby]

Only way this could work is if Kirk wants to leave amicably and decides to throw the Redskins a bone (which he has no incentive to do so). Whose to say he hasn't made his decision, Vikings are A. and Broncos are B. Maybe he wants to play nice (goes against all logic, yes I know) and says he is fine with being traded to his destination of choice instead of waiting until FA. Then the Redskins allow him/agent to negotiate a LTD with Vikings (if they are interested), then once they agree Vikes agree to send us a first rounder or something, we tag Kirk, file paperwork to trade him to Vikings and he gets his long term deal as part of it. It's doable (but I'm 99% sure it won't) but only if Kirk decides to throw us a bone. Or to put it into relateable terms, I gave the same odds to the Falcons losing with a 28-3 lead last year. TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up, but never say never.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mooby

Only way this could work is if Kirk wants to leave amicably and decides to throw the Redskins a bone (which he has no incentive to do so). Whose to say he hasn't made his decision, Vikings are A. and Broncos are B. Maybe he wants to play nice (goes against all logic, yes I know) and says he is fine with being traded to his destination of choice instead of waiting until FA. Then the Redskins allow him/agent to negotiate a LTD with Vikings (if they are interested), then once they agree Vikes agree to send us a first rounder or something, we tag Kirk, file paperwork to trade him to Vikings and he gets his long term deal as part of it. It's doable (but I'm 99% sure it won't) but only if Kirk decides to throw us a bone. Or to put it into relateable terms, I gave the same odds to the Falcons losing with a 28-3 lead last year. TL;DR: Don't get your hopes up, but never say never.

Why would Kirk screw over the team he wants to go to, forcing them to give the Skins draft picks? Instead of just signing with them as a FA?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Why would Kirk screw over the team he wants to go to, forcing them to give the Skins draft picks? Instead of just signing with them as a FA?

I thought that was covered under the 99% probability I gave of it not happening? Just saying never say never.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought that was covered under the 99% probability I gave of it not happening? Just saying never say never.

Well, I'm sure we could come up with many reasons why there's practically no chance. Just wanted to add another.

[SolidSnake84]

After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.

Foles is probably as good as Kirk TBH, and Alex Smith. So I wouldn't doubt it, and I still say the JETS land kirk because they will offer the most

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Foles is probably as good as Kirk TBH, and Alex Smith. So I wouldn't doubt it, and I still say the JETS land kirk because they will offer the most

A lot of NFL teams will be enamored by Foles performance in the SB. However, I doubt the Iggles would get rid of him while Wentz is rehabbing. It will be an interesting offseason for them.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

A lot of NFL teams will be enamored by Foles performance in the SB. However, I doubt the Iggles would get rid of him while Wentz is rehabbing. It will be an interesting offseason for them.

I wouldn't doubt the Eagles get rid of Foles. If they don't, they get nothing for him next year. What the Eagles could do is trade him during next season. Have him start the season if Wentz isn't ready, and trade him once Wentz is back.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

After the performance Foles had in the Superbowl, no doubt a few teams who may have been watching what happens with Kirk might now reach out to Philly. He will be a lot cheaper money wise and draft pick wise than Kirk. Can't help but wonder if this at least hurts his value a little bit. Seems like Cousins' potential future market seems to dry up day by day.

Why would a SB MVP be a lot cheaper?

Kirk is going to be an unrestricted free agent, he’s not going to cost anything draft pick wise. Foles will have to come via a trade and I don’t think the Eagles will just give him away.