The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

not really, because signing KC basically eats up Denver's cap space anyways. So they won't be players. The Broncos according to Overthecap have about 27M in cap space. If they are intent on signing KC, they aren't 1st week players in FA anyways.

They have been rumored to be cutting big $ guys like Talib coming up and probably others like Thomas if they need too.

[CRedskinsRule]

If the Skins are dumb enough to try it, KC will say thank you for the free money and sit on the sideline for a year and hit FA next year. Nothing he has done or said should make you think otherwise. He wants to hit Free Agency on his own terms. Meanwhile the Skins would be stuck with either trading Cousins at bargain basement prices, or keeping him on at the expense of a self imposed salary cap hell.

The only way it happens is if KC acts in good faith to give the Skins draft picks from the team he supposedly wants to lead to the superbowl.

It's really crazy how fandom clouds realism. Hopefully this Skins FO is more savvy then the Vinnie Cerrato FO.

[Schneed10]

I don’t remotely agree that Cousins would be willing to sit for a year behind Alex Smith.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don’t remotely agree that Cousins would be willing to sit for a year behind Alex Smith.

He wants FA on his own terms, and if the Skins try to FT him, he has said repeatedly he will sign it. From there it becomes a pissing match between Snyder and KC. KC would compete at training camp, but ultimately would Gruden have the guts to play KC over AS?

An aside note, if we did try this stunt, would AS and KC keep to the trade. A big part of AS' reason for not wanting to go to Cleveland was that he wants to be the guy. IF we franchise KC do you think AS goes to Reid and asks if the Denver trade was still a possibility.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I don’t remotely agree that Cousins would be willing to sit for a year behind Alex Smith.

For 34 million and a chance to stick it to the Skins and become a UFA in 2019?

I just don't see how the risk is worth the reward for us. If we want to recoup the pick or picks as we basically need to replace the pick plus Fuller, we can simply trade down in the 1st or 2nd round.

[Schneed10]

I don’t think the tag would be applied without first coming to an understanding between Cousins and his destination of choice.

If no understanding can be reached then I don’t think the tag will be applied.

Macro is saying that the three parties could sit down prior to the tag deadline and hammer out terms. If Bruce can’t pull it off then I agree it would be silly to then still go about applying the tag.

[CRedskinsRule]

I still think it requires KC to be a "good" actor. And I can't imagine, based on his past comments about how he feels about the FT, that he would sign it, then not stay on this team and play out the tag. And then he would be a FA the next season.

But like Matty said, if the Skins pull it off, then bravo to them

[Schneed10]

The question is whether he’d rather collect $34M and compete w Alex Smith for the job, or be a good actor. That’s a choice he might be forced to make, and based on his stated desire to play for a winner, I think there’s a more likely chance he’ll come to the table.

[Macro]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The question is whether he’d rather collect $34M

Well, I only compare the two dollar amounts per each of those theoretical deals: 34 million guaranteed for one year versus 90 million guaranteed.

I know which one I'm choosing.


I don't know why Cousins wouldn't want to negotiate with a team he wants to be with (assuming its Denver or whoever) for a guaranteed dollar amount that he also wants.

You mean he declines to go where he wants for what he wants just to go cray-cray with Bruce and Dan?

IDK.


I likewise don't know why he'd want to sabotage his own career by staying with the Redskins just so that he doesn't play for a year. That can only negatively affect his earnings in future years and jeopardize whether any team would actually give him a long term deal if/when he ever made it to the open market.


But ultimately none of that matters the second he signs the tag. Once he does that Bruce can sell him to ... I was going to Ottawa, I used Siberia previously. But I figured Bruce already explored the whole CFL angle, lol. (Joking).

So that's just it, at least for me, Bruce forces Cousins to the table with the tag, albeit begrudgingly: "tell me where you want to go, or I'll just throw a dart at a board."

[CRedskinsRule]

Every single sound bite for the last 3 years, when asked about the tag, KC has had the same response. If they tag me, I will sign it and play under it. At no time has he ever sounded inclined to take a team focused trade. Last year there were all the signs it was going to happen, but between KC and Snyder, it never came about. I don't think they are going to change their stripes and suddenly play nice.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Every single sound bite for the last 3 years, when asked about the tag, KC has had the same response. If they tag me, I will sign it and play under it. At no time has he ever sounded inclined to take a team focused trade. Last year there were all the signs it was going to happen, but between KC and Snyder, it never came about. I don't think they are going to change their stripes and suddenly play nice.

He said he would sign it and play under it when Colt McCoy was the only other QB on the roster. I would contend that if tagged, he would sign it, but not at all be interested in playing on it now that Alex Smith is here. He's going to want out - he's not going to be interested in possibly losing a QB camp battle to Alex Smith.

[skinsfan69]

With Smith on the books any chance of a trade went out the window. You're trying to save face and you can't at this point. Move on and be done with it.

[MTK]

Assuming all sides get on board what Macro is saying makes sense. Should be interesting to see what happens.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

Assuming all sides get on board what Macro is saying makes sense. Should be interesting to see what happens.

Even assuming our front office could pull this off with other teams, you don't think that the NFLPA, Goodell, and Mara & Co. would veto our gaming the system this way? (and maybe penalize us again?)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Even assuming our front office could pull this off with other teams, you don't think that the NFLPA, Goodell, and Mara & Co. would veto our gaming the system this way? (and maybe penalize us again?)

How is it gaming the system especially now there’s a legal tampering period? I don’t know what they could do really