The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by MTK

How is it gaming the system especially now there’s a legal tampering period? I don’t know what they could do really

Couldn't the NFLPA protest, and Goodell and Co. act, on the basis that they were limiting a player's (Cousins) potential earnings, as well as going way beyond tampering to collusion with other teams?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Couldn't the NFLPA protest, and Goodell and Co. act, on the basis that they were limiting a player's (Cousins) potential earnings, as well as going way beyond tampering to collusion with other teams?

If all sides are on board I’m not sure what there is to protest

[CRedskinsRule]

It all sounds like a fan's overarching ability to rationalize something that they want. It's never been done in the NFL that I know of, and maybe the Skins FO is just that smart to make it happen as laid out, ultimately the Skins are the only ones who really risk anything in that type of move.

If Denver promises, but backs out - they blame the Skins FO (rightly or wrongly) the Skins are stuck with KC on a tag, yes they could try to trade him to somewhere else, but who is going to trade for KC with his history of non-negotiation.

If KC signs the tag right away, but then decides that he really just wants to collect aroun 80 million total from the Skins for 3 years and walk into the sunset after this year. The Skins are stuck with no FA space.

If the Skins back out before the FT tag is signed, no one else is hurt.

Going into negotiations where you are the only one with possible negative consequences is to risky a move to put the franchise under.

Then you throw in an owner, who (supposedly) didn't want to give Kyle Shanahan any trade options, and I don't know why anyone would think that he would be happy to send KC anywhere he wants after paying him 40+Mil.

[MTK]

I guess it’s hard to see a 3rd rounder being a big deal in getting the guy you want, and dumping Talib only helps their cap.

[skinsfaninok]

The Eagles current payroll for both QB's is less than 15M a season lol that is unreal

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The Eagles current payroll for both QB's is less than 15M a season lol that is unreal

And they are 10M over the cap. That is either great management or going to blow up in their face. Since I hate them, I have to assume it will not blow up in their face

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And they are 10M over the cap. That is either great management or going to blow up in their face. Since I hate them, I have to assume it will not blow up in their face

I heard that they have almost every impact player coming back besides Graham who will prob demand a high pay day after this season.

[skinsfan69]

How could the Redskins sign free agents and resign their own free agents w/ both Cousins and Smith on the roster? No way that is happening. If the Redskins keep Cousins and Smith then they're just being assholes. Then it becomes very personal. No way they do that. Not even the Redskins would go that far...

[MTK]

There’s no rules against trading a tagged player, and if he becomes the highest paid player in the league by the Broncos I don’t see how there’s a chance to protest it

[HailGreen28]

More I think about it, Macro's proposal is a bad idea. Let's start with tagging Cousins. That doesn't just put him out of free agency, it puts the Skins out of free agency, because the Skins cap is squeezed even with "just" the nonexclusive or transition tag, let along the FT. So again, the Skins FO have no leverage, unless they want to screw themselves and Cousins out of spite.

And why should Cousins trust the Skins at this point?

Add to the NFLPA and league taking a dim view over this inventive way of using the tag, they might hit the Skins harder than they did in Capgate.

I'm sure there are other ways this proposed deal is doomed, those are just what I see.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

More I think about it, Macro's proposal is a bad idea. Let's start with tagging Cousins. That doesn't just put him out of free agency, it puts the Skins out of free agency, because the Skins cap is squeezed even with "just" the nonexclusive or transition tag, let along the FT. So again, the Skins FO have no leverage, unless they want to screw themselves and Cousins out of spite.

And why should Cousins trust the Skins at this point?

Add to the NFLPA and league taking a dim view over this inventive way of using the tag, they might hit the Skins harder than they did in Capgate.

I'm sure there are other ways this proposed deal is doomed, those are just what I see.

I think you're misunderstanding what Macro is saying. He wouldn't apply the tag without first:

1) understanding that Cousins's destination of choice would be team A

2) understanding whether team A would be willing to part with draft picks or players or both

3) understanding that team A and Cousins are comfortable with the terms, given that they'll both want a long term resolution, not a short term one

If all of these conditions are not satisfied, the tag will not be applied in the first place.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think you're misunderstanding what Macro is saying. He wouldn't apply the tag without first:

1) understanding that Cousins's destination of choice would be team A

2) understanding whether team A would be willing to part with draft picks or players or both

3) understanding that team A and Cousins are comfortable with the terms, given that they'll both want a long term resolution, not a short term one

If all of these conditions are not satisfied, the tag will not be applied in the first place.

1). Cousins can do that just fine in FA, with no risk from a deal like this.

2). Why would Cousins and his new team agree to hand the Skins draft picks or players? Unless the Skins try to leverage the tag in a way it's not supposed to be used. I can just hear Mara blubbering now about "the spirit of the tag".

3). Again, Cousins and team A can do that just fine in free agency themselves.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I think you're misunderstanding what Macro is saying. He wouldn't apply the tag without first:

1) understanding that Cousins's destination of choice would be team A

2) understanding whether team A would be willing to part with draft picks or players or both

3) understanding that team A and Cousins are comfortable with the terms, given that they'll both want a long term resolution, not a short term one

If all of these conditions are not satisfied, the tag will not be applied in the first place.

Very same points I argued prior to the Alex Smith deal the other day. The assumption would be the Redskins already have a trade partner in place who has already agreed, in principle, on the details of the trade. But, Cousins would also have to be willing to go along with it, and I think this is where it would be tough.

However, now, with Alex Smith on board, I don't see it as likely. If it happens, it's a HUGE risk. Cousins would have to be willing and open to go along with it, and he hasn't shown any reason to want to help the Redskins unless he's actually starting quarterback.

[sdskinsfan2001]

I'm no Cousins fanboy, but let the man leave and get on with his life in FA. The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

We have plenty of cap space to sign a corner to replace Fuller or we can draft one. And we can acquire more picks in more traditional fashions.

Time for all sides to move on.

All Cousins has to do to blow this up is say that he won't sign the tag right away or sign tag immediately and tell all the other 31 teams he's leaving in FA in 2019.

[MTK]

Yeah maybe it's not so easy...

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-...e-kirk-cousins

Franchise tag sign and trade: Because it would be a third franchise tag, according to the collective bargaining agreement it must be exclusive. That means only the Redskins can negotiate with Cousins. So, even during the legal tampering window before free agency, Cousins' agent would be unable to discuss contract numbers with other teams.

Yes, there are ways around that, but there are also ways to let other teams know this: Cousins won't agree to any wink-wink extension before free agency. Because of the restrictions, it would raise eyebrows in the league if there were a deal in the first minute of free agency that includes an extension.