The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[diehardskin2982]

Loving the intelligent dialogue!

Marco, I agree with your thoughts. It would be necessary for Denver to pay a 3rd and Talib because the Redskins could trade him elsewhere.

There is a market for Cousins. I would argue that it's a stronger market than free agency because teams like the Jets, Bills, and Browns, who might not have had a realistic chance in free agency, can get him under the assumption that they can prove to KC that they'll be a long-term winner.

I do think the Eagles and Foles will be a factor. Foles is a Superbowl MVP, his price tag is less, and there will be a PR buzz for the team that takes him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Loving the intelligent dialogue!

Marco, I agree with your thoughts. It would be necessary for Denver to pay a 3rd and Talib because the Redskins could trade him elsewhere.

There is a market for Cousins. I would argue that it's a stronger market than free agency because teams like the Jets, Bills, and Browns, who might not have had a realistic chance in free agency, can get him under the assumption that they can prove to KC that they'll be a long-term winner.

I do think the Eagles and Foles will be a factor. Foles is a Superbowl MVP, his price tag is less, and there will be a PR buzz for the team that takes him.

Foles said he wants to stay

[BaltimoreSkins]

Aqib Talib has a 12 mill cap hit but only 1 mill dead cap for 2018.
a. Is 12 mil too much to pay Talib or would there be a negotiated contract?
b. Could we pick up Talib for less than 12 mil if he gets cut by the Broncos? IMO we could.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Aqib Talib has a 12 mill cap hit but only 1 mill dead cap for 2018.
a. Is 12 mil too much to pay Talib or would there be a negotiated contract?
b. Could we pick up Talib for less than 12 mil if he gets cut by the Broncos? IMO we could.

I hope we do, that would be sick to have him and Norman together, I don't see Breeland coming back

[sandtrapjack]

None of this makes any sense.

As soon as they place the tag on Cousins, it counts against the salary cap. Cousins does not need to sign his tender for it to count. As soon as they tag him, it counts. The number for the tag is in the neighborhood of 34.5 million. And last check I saw was Washington is 32 million under the cap. Teams are required to be under the salary cap before the start of the new league year, March 14. Additionally, Cousins cannot be traded until he signs that tender. So tagging him would hamstring the organization in free agency.

Why would a team willingly enter into negotiations regarding a trade of a player they KNOW will be a free agent? They know that worst case scenario is they tag KC. If KC does not sign the tag, he is a Free Agent. If KC signs the tag, everyone knows Washington will rescind the tag at the start of the new league year.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

None of this makes any sense.

As soon as they place the tag on Cousins, it counts against the salary cap. Cousins does not need to sign his tender for it to count. As soon as they tag him, it counts. The number for the tag is in the neighborhood of 34.5 million. And last check I saw was Washington is 32 million under the cap. Teams are required to be under the salary cap before the start of the new league year, March 14. Additionally, Cousins cannot be traded until he signs that tender. So tagging him would hamstring the organization in free agency.

Why would a team willingly enter into negotiations regarding a trade of a player they KNOW will be a free agent? They know that worst case scenario is they tag KC. If KC does not sign the tag, he is a Free Agent. If KC signs the tag, everyone knows Washington will rescind the tag at the start of the new league year.

They won't do it, for that reason alone

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

None of this makes any sense.

As soon as they place the tag on Cousins, it counts against the salary cap. Cousins does not need to sign his tender for it to count. As soon as they tag him, it counts. The number for the tag is in the neighborhood of 34.5 million. And last check I saw was Washington is 32 million under the cap. Teams are required to be under the salary cap before the start of the new league year, March 14. Additionally, Cousins cannot be traded until he signs that tender. So tagging him would hamstring the organization in free agency.

Why would a team willingly enter into negotiations regarding a trade of a player they KNOW will be a free agent? They know that worst case scenario is they tag KC. If KC does not sign the tag, he is a Free Agent. If KC signs the tag, everyone knows Washington will rescind the tag at the start of the new league year.

It's definitely something that the front office would've tried had they not gotten Alex Smith. However, at this point, unless a deal has already been agreed upon (wink, wink, nod, nod) the 'skins should be happy getting a 3rd in 2019 and being done with the Kirk Cousins saga.

[sdskinsfan2001]

If I'm Kirk I simply state that I'm not signing the FT until well after FA starts so you miss out on most of the FA's you are going to want. He wants to be a FA, let him go.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

If I'm Kirk I simply state that I'm not signing the FT until well after FA starts so you miss out on most of the FA's you are going to want. He wants to be a FA, let him go.

I have heard multiple people comment about KC signing the FT. I was under the impression that the FT binds the player to that team for a one year contract and extends the time to reach a LTD. If a LTD isn't reached there are then two options:
1. Play the year
2. "Retire" for the season

What am I not understanding?

Also assuming the Skins FT Cousins we know he is not going to do option 2, like Bell is threatening.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

None of this makes any sense.

As soon as they place the tag on Cousins, it counts against the salary cap. Cousins does not need to sign his tender for it to count. As soon as they tag him, it counts. The number for the tag is in the neighborhood of 34.5 million. And last check I saw was Washington is 32 million under the cap. Teams are required to be under the salary cap before the start of the new league year, March 14. Additionally, Cousins cannot be traded until he signs that tender. So tagging him would hamstring the organization in free agency.

Why would a team willingly enter into negotiations regarding a trade of a player they KNOW will be a free agent? They know that worst case scenario is they tag KC. If KC does not sign the tag, he is a Free Agent. If KC signs the tag, everyone knows Washington will rescind the tag at the start of the new league year.

If a team has draft picks to spare, I think they would rather give that up to have access to Cousins as opposed to competing against other teams in the free agent market.

Cousins can still dictate the negotiations with the team that is willing to trade for him, as this would only work if all parties are on board.

Honestly, I don't blame the team for trying to get something for Cousins.

[CRedskinsRule]

don't hate me for posting this

[JPPT1974]

Yeah as we should hear about something in March!

[rocnrik]

I say if Im redskins Front office I try everything I can to get something for Cousins. that is what he is doing ..He wants to make the most money he can and I don't blame him ..same for team..it remains to be seen if they can pull it off but I would try.

[MTK]

I still think chances of a tag and trade coming together are slim. I’ll say 20% chance of it happening.

[MTK]

If tagged he would sign in a heartbeat. By not signing he can’t be traded, possibly interested teams would have to move on with either finding a QB in free agency or the draft. And why wouldn’t you lock yourself into $34M vs 0?