The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

I really think you’re overthinking it CR.

Top 12 QB hits the market in the prime of his career = payday

And it wouldn’t be over the top money, it’s market value for the next guy up

You are probably right. And I know QB's have an over the top value - see any numerous examples. I still will be interested how his contract situation shakes out and think that GOOD front offices will balk at giving KC the same as JG.

IF he ends up with Cleveland, or NYJ, then yes they may overpay, but I don't see Denver or Minn FO's overpaying him, and Az and Jax are too cheap to pay that type money.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I really think you’re overthinking it CR.

Top 12 QB hits the market in the prime of his career = payday

And it wouldn’t be over the top money, it’s market value for the next guy up

Agreed. Three years from now, it will look like chump change. (Hard to call $30M/yr chump change, but still...)

I'm not sold on the idea that Cousins has so much competition that his value will drop. I think he's the most sought after free agent QB and that's including whoever is available from Minnesota.

[skinsfaninok]

I saw a stat earlier

top 5 paid QB's

1. JIMMY
2. Stafford
3. Carr
4. Luck
5. Flacco.

None of those teams have had much success

[skinsfan69]

I like Cousins and wished he stayed but he is partly to blame for what happened here too. Not only for the way he didn't want to negotiate, but by his play. Playoff game against Green Bay? He played like shit. In another game that was basically a playoff game against the Giants in 16, he played like shit again and threw a pick to end the season. And we all know how this season ended, ditto of 2016.

So with all that are you actually going to give him 30 million a year? No way in hell. Give me Keenum, Bradford, McCarron, or a draft pick for way less money. Look at all the rookies that have had success on rookie deals? Cousins isn't pushing any of the teams looking at him over the top.

I hate the trade because giving away a high draft pick and a starter for a game manager is stupid as hell. Just stupid as it gets. I would have went w/ Colt and drafted someone, and hoped that rookie could beat out Colt. But I DO applaud the Redskins for at least being disciplined enough to not cave into Cousins bullshit playing. They said enough and turned their back on him. Good for them for ending this. Hopefully....

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I like Cousins and wished he stayed but he is partly to blame for what happened here too. Not only for the way he didn't want to negotiate, but by his play. Playoff game against Green Bay? He played like shit. In another game that was basically a playoff game against the Giants in 16, he played like shit again and threw a pick to end the season. And we all know how this season ended, ditto of 2016.

So with all that are you actually going to give him 30 million a year? No way in hell. Give me Keenum, Bradford, McCarron, or a draft pick for way less money. Look at all the rookies that have had success on rookie deals? Cousins isn't pushing any of the teams looking at him over the top.

I hate the trade because giving away a high draft pick and a starter for a game manager is stupid as hell. Just stupid as it gets. I would have went w/ Colt and drafted someone, and hoped that rookie could beat out Colt. But I DO applaud the Redskins for at least being disciplined enough to not cave into Cousins bullshit playing. They said enough and turned their back on him. Good for them for ending this. Hopefully....

We didn't give up that much considering the guy is a proven winner, that is what it's all about, WINS.. We forget that sometimes because of the stats guys put up... Remember a few years back Tomlin said BEN is elite because "he wins, we don't care about sexy numbers" I'm at that point now too after 3 years of GREAT STATS but NO WINS.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

We didn't give up that much considering the guy is a proven winner, that is what it's all about, WINS.. We forget that sometimes because of the stats guys put up... Remember a few years back Tomlin said BEN is elite because "he wins, we don't care about sexy numbers" I'm at that point now too after 3 years of GREAT STATS but NO WINS.

Similar to Cousins, Smith isn't pushing anyone over the top. His last playoff game is a perfect example of that. Good player though. It's a move that may keep the Redskins a float, in the 7-9 win range. Nothing more and maybe less.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Similar to Cousins, Smith isn't pushing anyone over the top. His last playoff game is a perfect example of that. Good player though. It's a move that may keep the Redskins a float, in the 7-9 win range. Nothing more and maybe less.

IDK about the playoff game, he was really good, he lost Kelce and the D couldn't stop TENN at all. His overall numbers in the playoffs are great. It shows that he is poised and doesn't get rattled. I think we can win 10 games or more next yr

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Similar to Cousins, Smith isn't pushing anyone over the top. His last playoff game is a perfect example of that. Good player though. It's a move that may keep the Redskins a float, in the 7-9 win range. Nothing more and maybe less.

I disagree, Smith has been in the league 9 years. In years he was the starter on his team his team placed x in the division:
2nd (8-8)
3rd (6-10)
1st (13-3 highest approximate value on team - pro football reference)
* 1st (6-2-1 with him - they finished 11-4-1)
2nd(11-5)
2nd(9-7)
2nd(11-5 highest approximate value on team - pro football reference)
1st(12-4)
1st(10-6 highest approximate value on team - pro football reference)

That is a consistent track record on two different teams, two different coaching styles, and many different personnel groups.

He has had 3 seasons in the 7-9 win range in 9 years. I expect him to do good things here.

[CRedskinsRule]

I was looking at the career splits for KC and AS, just out of curiosity and a few things stood out to me that I thought I would share.

KC has 96 less total games, so carried out to match the same number of games, he would have about 8000 more yards then AS. That's a lot of production.

KC's Completion percentage is a good cut above AS's (65.5 to 62.37)

KC is horrid Mon and Thursday (in win loss records not stats, he is 1 - 10 in 11 Monday or Thursday games with 13 INTs to 17 TDs)

AC is better (13 - 8, 12 INTs to 26 TDs)

KC has much more of a swing in his completion percentage through the season - breaking it by quarters or months his completion % difference is nearly 6 percentage point difference. AS is more consistent - only a 2% difference.

Neither does well in dome or retractable roofs (bit odd I think) KC is 1-8 all time, AS is 11 - 13.

I know these are just stats. I just found them interesting in seeing what we might be getting. I think the best way to sum it up is a slightly lesser quality but a lot more consistent passer.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Being JACKED to be a Redskin:

Kirk Cousins: 0

Alex Smith: 1

That's my favorite stat in favor of AS.

[MTK]

^ I don’t see what that has to do with anything about him playing QB at a high level. Everyone has their own routines or quirks.

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by MTK

^ I don’t see what that has to do with anything about him playing QB at a high level. Everyone has their own routines or quirks.

I would agree with you if that's the way Kirk has lived his entire life, but that's not the case. He brought that into his life after he had those stint of games where he was throwing a lot of interceptions and was benched for a while. That offseason is when he went out and found this new routine that he uses.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

I would agree with you if that's the way Kirk has lived his entire life, but that's not the case. He brought that into his life after he had those stint of games where he was throwing a lot of interceptions and was benched for a while. That offseason is when he went out and found this new routine that he uses.

If it works for him I don’t get the big deal, it sounds odd but who cares

[rickmmrr]

Originally Posted by MTK

If it works for him I don’t get the big deal, it sounds odd but who cares

Actually, he's gone so I don't really care, and I would even say this method that he uses is working 100% if we didn't have those crucial games at the end of the last 3 years, where apparently "this method of structure" was not working as well as it works for Tom Brady.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rickmmrr

Actually, he's gone so I don't really care, and I would even say this method that he uses is working 100% if we didn't have those crucial games at the end of the last 3 years, where apparently "this method of structure" was not working as well as it works for Tom Brady.

There’s no way to definitively link those two things together