The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[OmahaRedskins]

Petty is tagging him and placing him on the practice squad. Tagging him and recovering your draft picks it good business. If it was 10 other team, they would be praised for the idea. Since it’s the skins, they are bashed.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

Petty is tagging him and placing him on the practice squad. Tagging him and recovering your draft picks it good business. If it was 10 other team, they would be praised for the idea. Since it’s the skins, they are bashed.

I agree it would be good business. .. if successful. But it has been said over and over how risky a move it would be.

And now it appears it is, even theorocally, strictly impossible :

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ags-him-again/



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[OmahaRedskins]

New England did it to Cassel a few years ago. The precedence has been set. On top of that nugget Cleveland and Denver have already violated the tampering rule.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

New England did it to Cassel a few years ago. The precedence has been set. On top of that nugget Cleveland and Denver have already violated the tampering rule.

It was in 2009, so before the new CBA (2011), I think it's a new rule they're talking about.

[Dan73]

They are not using the tag to prevent him from getting paid.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

They are not using the tag to prevent him from getting paid.

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Dan. From the CBA article 4 section 8b
This is the rule I was thinking about when I said they would be violating the CBA if they tag KC.

A Club extending a Required Tender must, for so long as that Tender is

extended, have a good faith intention to employ the player receiving the Tender at the

Tender compensation level during the upcoming season. It shall be deemed to be a

violation of this provision if, while the tender is outstanding, a Club insists that such a

player agree to a Player Contract at a compensation level during the upcoming season

below that of the Required Tender amount. The foregoing shall not affect any rights that

a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited

to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if

such termination, renegotiation, or trade is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or

this Agreement.

Yes they can try to trade him BUT you can't tag him with the intent to trade him

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Dan. From the CBA article 4 section 8b
This is the rule I was thinking about when I said they would be violating the CBA if they tag KC.


Yes they can try to trade him BUT you can't tag him with the intent to trade him

If Kirk and his agent made it clear they did not want to stay in Washington, then you can say you wanted too.

I don't think once his agent got into his head he had any interest in being a Redskin.

From reports on things said in practice and players talking about mixed messages Kirk has just been tugging on fans heart strings. Especially playing on those who want to hate Snyder and Allen.

Once this is done I will be happy if I hear about Smith putting in the work with is WRs.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

If Kirk and his agent made it clear they did not want to stay in Washington, then you can say you wanted too.

I don't think once his agent got into his head he had any interest in being a Redskin.

From reports on things said in practice and players talking about mixed messages Kirk has just been tugging on fans heart strings. Especially playing on those who want to hate Snyder and Allen.

Once this is done I will be happy if I hear about Smith putting in the work with is WRs.

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Once they committed publicly to trading for Alex Smith at a rate(17M + guaranteed money) that would put us over the cap with KC FT any lawyer would be able to say the skins had no intent at the time they imposed the FT to pay him that amount on opening day. What KC says or does or has done has zero relevance to the Skins legal obligation under the CBA

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Once they committed publicly to trading for Alex Smith at a rate(17M + guaranteed money) that would put us over the cap with KC FT any lawyer would be able to say the skins had no intent at the time they imposed the FT to pay him that amount on opening day. What KC says or does or has done has zero relevance to the Skins legal obligation under the CBA

There is nothing official from the Skins on the trade yet is there?

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Once they committed publicly to trading for Alex Smith at a rate(17M + guaranteed money) that would put us over the cap with KC FT any lawyer would be able to say the skins had no intent at the time they imposed the FT to pay him that amount on opening day. What KC says or does or has done has zero relevance to the Skins legal obligation under the CBA

Yep, I don't get what's so hard to understand:

when a team applies the franchise tender, the team must intend to employ the player at the amount of the franchise tender for the upcoming season. With Washington already planning to trade for, and to extend the contract of, Chiefs quarterback Alex Smith, there’s no way that Washington intends to employ Cousins at $34.47 million for 2018.

This portion of the labor deal provides Cousins with a silver bullet to block either the franchise tag or the transition tag, which would require Washington to have a good-faith intent to employ Cousins at $28.7 million. The fact that the window for tagging players closes a week before the start of free agency means that Cousins will have seven days to secure a ruling before the market opens. Given the widespread reports of Washington’s plans to acquire and extend Alex Smith, it shouldn’t take seven minutes for an arbitrator to issue a ruling.

CBA gives Kirk Cousins an immediate path to checkmate, if Washington tags him again – ProFootballTalk

[Dan73]

I am in two grievances right now one which looks like a sure winner for me. But my employer still has to try.

I don't blame the Skins if they try. I am kind of glad they are being more business like and less fan boy in how they handle players.

Now Allen must learn winning is what is most important and be consistent.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dan73

I am in two grievances right now one which looks like a sure winner for me. But my employer still has to try.

I don't blame the Skins if they try. I am kind of glad they are being more business like and less fan boy in how they handle players.

Now Allen must learn winning is what is most important and be consistent.

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I was a Shop Steward for 27 years out of my 31 with my Company and nothing is ever a a "sure winner",sometimes the "big picture " plays an important roll on the out come of a "sure winner".

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I was a Shop Steward for 27 years out of my 31 with my Company and nothing is ever a a "sure winner",sometimes the "big picture " plays an important roll on the out come of a "sure winner".

The company is already doing bad under questioning. And right now the government is taking a very dim view on employers trying to punish employees in connection with the new labour laws.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dan73

The company is already doing bad under questioning. And right now the government is taking a very dim view on employers trying to punish employees in connection with the new labour laws.

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Maybe it's different in Canada but in the USA ,it would be forced to arbitration and that's when a sure winner goes down the drain.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Maybe it's different in Canada but in the USA ,it would be forced to arbitration and that's when a sure winner goes down the drain.

We are at arbitration now. 1 issue I see us losing one I see us winning.

Unfortunately we are in a Kirk cousins situation where we were offered the best contract most of us ever saw. Raises every year jobs guaranteed for 7 years better benefits and vacation time. But guys thought they were worth more. So it got voted down and we got a thousand dollars bonus but all the goodwill is gone so things end up at arbitration now. Guys overestimated their worth. Now my company is testing automation.

I think Cousins is hoping the Skins tag him. Because he is not getting Jimmy G money. Articles in Denver and NY saying why hurt the franchise for one good but not great player. Buffalo is calling around to see what it takes to get to the top 10.

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