The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.

Fuller is a good CB but he's never going to be a 1 or 2, he'll be a 3 for the majority of his career, not a huge loss imo.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Fuller is a good CB but he's never going to be a 1 or 2, he'll be a 3 for the majority of his career, not a huge loss imo.

He was clearly better than Breeland last year and you could argue he was better than Norman. So how can you say he'll never be a #2 corner? Fuller can play the slot and outside and was only in his 2nd year. It was a huge loss.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He was clearly better than Breeland last year and you could argue he was better than Norman. So how can you say he'll never be a #2 corner? Fuller can play the slot and outside and was only in his 2nd year. It was a huge loss.

Slot corner and a mid round pick for a Pro Bowl QB and an extra 13+ million in salary cap space is more than a fair trade. Cousins wanted to leave and we needed a QB. We went out and got the best possible option. Hats off to the front office.

Note - Fuller is awesome and Chiefs got a good one. But you need a QB. Supply amd Demand. Way easier to replace a CB than a QB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Slot corner and a mid round pick for a Pro Bowl QB and an extra 13+ million in salary cap space is more than a fair trade. Cousins wanted to leave and we needed a QB. We went out and got the best possible option. Hats off to the front office.

Note - Fuller is awesome and Chiefs got a good one. But you need a QB. Supply amd Demand. Way easier to replace a CB than a QB.

We'll just see how it all pans out. We've already seen that clearing cap space doesn't really mean anything. It will also be interesting to see how the draft goes and if one of the top 4 QB's fall to us.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

He was clearly better than Breeland last year and you could argue he was better than Norman. So how can you say he'll never be a #2 corner? Fuller can play the slot and outside and was only in his 2nd year. It was a huge loss.

He isn't fast enough to be a #1, he is at most a 2. His brother is just as good of a corner and what has that done for Chicago all these years?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

He isn't fast enough to be a #1, he is at most a 2. His brother is just as good of a corner and what has that done for Chicago all these years?

Bears were talking about tagging him so I guess the answer is it’s worked out just fine for them

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.

I think there is a culture shift with the Skins. If you do not put in your best effort even during practice, film time, weight room and at show you are a team member at the bargaining table they will let you go.

It may take a year or two more but it will be for the best.

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[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah he never countered Bruce's offer last summer. So he's either seeing the opportunity for a huge money grab by getting to free agency, or he flat out didn't want to be a Redskin. Either way that screams he's not the right leader for us.

Once he refused to counter Bruce's offer, the writing was on the wall. It was clear he wasn't invested in us for the long term. So there's no reason we should feel the need to be invested in him.

I look forward to the dimension Smith adds with his ability to scramble. Replacing Fuller will not be easy but now there's a path forward. I'm more excited for the future than I was after the 2016 season when Cousins lit it up. Having things settled at QB is key.

Spot on! Negotiating contracts isn't about one side making all the offers and the other side sitting back and refusing those offers. Negotiation is about both sides coming to the table and trying to work a deal. That never happened with the Cousins camp, and was never going to happen. And all of this talk about Cousins threatening to place a complaint in with the NFLPA if the 'skins decided to try a tag and trade just solidifies the fact that he doesn't want anything to get in his way of making a big pay day. When all of this is said and done, Cousins is going to have to prove that he's worth the contract, and it's going to be a tough task to do so, especially if he goes to a team like the Jets or the Browns. Maybe not so much if he goes to Denver, but I don't believe Denver can pay out $60M in one year (I don't even think the Jets can do that!)

[MTK]

Yes the Jets can, they have plenty of cap room and will be clearing up more

[WillH]

Honestly, these reports of the Jets or Browns paying him ridiculous money $40-$60mil next year (probably just wild speculations IMO though) if they have any validity, I think further add to the argument for tagging him. $34 would be a bargain for these teams so they'll have no issue giving up a pick for an "expensive" 1 year deal.

I know, he might not like it, but if they're not gonna make big splashes in FA this year anyways, his need to come to the table is more urgent than theirs. If he wants a chance to talk to all interested parties before they make other plans than he'll have to cooperate, otherwise he would give in or out wait the Redskins later in FA and take what deal you can get at that point (Browns or Jets will be much less likely to pay these ridiculous contracts if they're the only one left bidding) or sit out next year.

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[MTK]

Tagging him keeps coming back to the same problems... he could file a grievance and most of all carrying his $34M on our books indefinitely and effectively shutting down our ability to sign players.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by MTK

Tagging him keeps coming back to the same problems... he could file a grievance and most of all carrying his $34M on our books indefinitely and effectively shutting down our ability to sign players.

Grievance is total BS story line.


Edit: the part of the article 4 section 8b that everyone seems to ignore is what comes after the part about good faith intentions to employ and pay the player at the franchise rate:

"The foregoing shall not affect any rights that a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if such termination, renegotiation, or TRADE is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or this Agreement."

It actually specifically says the team can trade or rescind the offer for that matter.

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[MTK]

Originally Posted by WillH

Grievance is total BS story line.


Edit: the part of the article 4 section 8b that everyone seems to ignore is what comes after the part about good faith intentions to employ and pay the player at the franchise rate:

"The foregoing shall not affect any rights that a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if such termination, renegotiation, or TRADE is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or this Agreement."

It actually specifically says the team can trade or rescind the offer for that matter.

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It very well might not go anywhere, he could still file it and also refuse to sign the tag and totally F up free agency for the team. Bottom line unless all parties are on board with a tag and trade the risk heavily outweighs the benefits

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by WillH

Grievance is total BS story line.


Edit: the part of the article 4 section 8b that everyone seems to ignore is what comes after the part about good faith intentions to employ and pay the player at the franchise rate:

"The foregoing shall not affect any rights that a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if such termination, renegotiation, or TRADE is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or this Agreement."

It actually specifically says the team can trade or rescind the offer for that matter.

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I think there was also a section in there where a grievance could be filed against the player for signing the tag and said player not making an effort toward negotiations on a long term deal. I'm widely paraphrasing, but I remember reading that part. So, I'm not sure why this part hadn't been discussed. Cousins keeps saying he was open to negotiating with team, but then his camp would say things, like, "We're not interested in negotiating until after the tag is signed." I'm sorry, but I think there's been some very dubious dealings with Cousins' agent on this.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WillH

Grievance is total BS story line.


Edit: the part of the article 4 section 8b that everyone seems to ignore is what comes after the part about good faith intentions to employ and pay the player at the franchise rate:

"The foregoing shall not affect any rights that a Club may have under the Player Contract or this Agreement, including but not limited to the right to terminate the contract, renegotiate the contract, or to trade the player if such termination, renegotiation, or TRADE is otherwise permitted by the Player Contract or this Agreement."

It actually specifically says the team can trade or rescind the offer for that matter.

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Yes you can trade the player, Miami may do just that with their receiver, no one is questioning the legality of a trade in principle, BUT when the Redskins went out, agreed to a trade in principle for a 10yr starting qb at a rate that makes the tag number prohibitive to our salary cap, any good lawyer will shred the good faith intention part of 4b, or at least keep it in the courts long enough to mess up our FA period.

All for a 2nd rounder instead of a 3rd. It's just not a good return on investment at this point.

The tag and trade ONLY works if all 3 parties work to make it work out. NOTHING from KC's camp implies he will work with the Skins in any way.

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