The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[WillH]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Yes you can trade the player, Miami may do just that with their receiver, no one is questioning the legality of a trade in principle, BUT when the Redskins went out, agreed to a trade in principle for a 10yr starting qb at a rate that makes the tag number prohibitive to our salary cap, any good lawyer will shred the good faith intention part of 4b, or at least keep it in the courts long enough to mess up our FA period.

All for a 2nd rounder instead of a 3rd. It's just not a good return on investment at this point.

The tag and trade ONLY works if all 3 parties work to make it work out. NOTHING from KC's camp implies he will work with the Skins in any way.

20 days left.

This comes immediately after the good faith part, "It shall be deemed to be a violation of this provision if, while the tender is outstanding, a Club insists that such a player agree to a Player Contract at a compensation level during the upcoming season below that of the Required Tender amount."

That section has nothing to do with employing them or not. It's just about the money. In fact, this is probably how/why Cousins and his agent dug in their heals about the Tag number being where negotiations should start.

Anyways, I still don't understand this argument about how this will hurt FA. The Redskins don't go big in FA anymore. So maybe your argument is that we should this year. Fine, but realize if you're going big and you pay too much for FA you are risking that compensatory pick that everyone keeps saying shouldn't be risked. I don't get the logic. Either you think they should make smart FA moves and not overspend which negates the argument about the Tag hindering FA, or you spend big and potentially get no compensation for KC anyways.

I guess my point is, you better have some really vital targets in mind to forgo the chance to get valuable compensation for KC. If you don't, KC will have more urgency to get a deal done if he wants either that big pay day or the right team.

If the team makes some big splashes in FA and they make a big impact to this team then it will have been worth it, but if they have the same low key FA and let him walk... that's some dumb pussy bullshit for a compensatory pick.


Edit: Also, Cousins camp is presumably leaking a lot of threats against him being tagged, while the FO has been silent. It stinks of desperation to me on KCs part. Maybe they won't want to play ball, but they might just have to.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by WillH

This comes immediately after the good faith part, "It shall be deemed to be a violation of this provision if, while the tender is outstanding, a Club insists that such a player agree to a Player Contract at a compensation level during the upcoming season below that of the Required Tender amount."

That section has nothing to do with employing them or not. It's just about the money. In fact, this is probably how/why Cousins and his agent dug in their heals about the Tag number being where negotiations should start.

Anyways, I still don't understand this argument about how this will hurt FA. The Redskins don't go big in FA anymore. So maybe your argument is that we should this year. Fine, but realize if you're going big and you pay too much for FA you are risking that compensatory pick that everyone keeps saying shouldn't be risked. I don't get the logic. Either you think they should make smart FA moves and not overspend which negates the argument about the Tag hindering FA, or you spend big and potentially get no compensation for KC anyways.

I guess my point is, you better have some really vital targets in mind to forgo the chance to get valuable compensation for KC. If you don't, KC will have more urgency to get a deal done if he wants either that big pay day or the right team.

If the team makes some big splashes in FA and they make a big impact to this team then it will have been worth it, but if they have the same low key FA and let him walk... that's some dumb pussy bullshit for a compensatory pick.


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First. The cap issue is that we have 48M right now (overthecap.com) KC franchise is 34M. Alex Smith is at least 17M but the new extension pushes it to 19-20M.
Last I checked 34 + 20 is greater than 48. So in order to play the tag game with KC and sign AS we would have to cut 6M in salary cap space for a risky ploy to up a draft spot 1 year and 1 round. And then we still couldn't try to sign our guys like Breeland or Zach Brown who aren't counted in our cap right now.

Further I don't think we need to make a big splash, but IF a player comes available, then it's stupid to sit in a self imposed cap hell and not be able to go after them.

edit:
Redskins FAs not currently counted in the 48M cap (would be lost in failed tag and trade effort)
Shawn Lauvao,
center Spencer Long,
linebacker Zach Brown Will Compton and Chris Carter,
cornerback Bashaud Breeland.
wide receivers Terrelle Pryor Sr. and Brian Quick,
tight end Niles Paul,
kicker Dustin Hopkins, defensive lineman Phil Taylor Sr.,
safety DeAngelo Halland
offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom

Not all of those are critical, but they all have to be accounted for.

[CRedskinsRule]

The bottom line is this:
IF KC was all in to work with the Skins to get his best deal and the Skins some type of trade compensation

AND

IF the Jets or Broncos - or another team Cousins agreed on - saw 1st or 2nd round value to have an exclusive opportunity at signing Cousins.

THEN

Tag and trade would make sense.

BUT

KC is not on board with it
The other teams seem to be willing to go the pure FA route

SO

It's a non starter to think that the Skins could pull off a tag and trade deal.

[Meks]

eff it. Tag em. Let him sit there and sulk and not sign til july. We dont need any FA's. Build through the draft and just sign the rookies before camp. lol

[MTK]

FFS with this thread

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by MTK

FFS with this thread

https://operations.nfl.com/football-...ant-nfl-dates/

"March 6 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players."

So close. And yet so far away. March. The sixth. Four PM.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

https://operations.nfl.com/football-...ant-nfl-dates/

"March 6 Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players."

So close. And yet so far away. March. The sixth. Four PM.

Right? Lol end this fucking circus peanut riddled bullshit already im sick of it.

[Meks]

lol i was being a bit of a jokester matty

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Meks

lol i was being a bit of a jokester matty

I hear ya, some aren’t though

Just want this over with

[skinsfaninok]

Could an unexpected team enter the chase for Kirk Cousins? – ProFootballTalk

Dallas?

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Could an unexpected team enter the chase for Kirk Cousins? – ProFootballTalk

Dallas?

horseshit fluff attention grabbing none sense. -- kind of. lol

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Meks

horeshit fluff attention grabbing none sense. -- kind of. lol

If JJ is desperate he may go for Kirk. Also they haven't really came out and said Dak is the franchise guy

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

If JJ is desperate he may go for Kirk. Also they haven't really came out and said Dak is the franchise guy

Shut up dude. You have no clue what you're talking about either.

"if JJ is desperate he may go for Kirk". You're spouting shit with no basis. Get educated on the salary cap before you post.

You post way too much without saying anything valuable. Like, ever.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Shut up dude. You have no clue what you're talking about either.

"if JJ is desperate he may go for Kirk". You're spouting shit with no basis. Get educated on the salary cap before you post.

You post way too much without saying anything valuable. Like, ever.

LOL So cutting guys like Dez Bryant wouldn't free up cap?? Not bringing back Lawrence isn't possible? You always have to worry about what others post lol dude go chill out somewhere, once again it would be different if I just made that up BUT ONCE AGAIN it came from credible sources.

Kirk Cousins continues to become a brighter and shinier object, doesn’t, at some point, Jerry Jones stir and say, ‘Dak Prescott… Kirk Cousins? Dak Prescott… Kirk Cousins?’

Also I am not a NFL WRITER and I don't pretend to be one on this site... If you come to me with a resume saying you write for a pro sports team then I'll say OK you know your shit, if not fuck off bro

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Could an unexpected team enter the chase for Kirk Cousins? – ProFootballTalk

Dallas?

This is nearly always when the agent starts feeling like he is not going to get what he wants in negotiations. Any team interested in KC would certainly have been in the know by now.