Redskins Offseason Thread

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is only a result of one of the worst owner in sports, Dan Snyder. We got bought by a buffoon who set the franchise back by twenty years. Sad but true

So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Redskins247

So true. And it's almost like Snyder has copied Jerry Jones model of ownership...minus having Jimmy Johnson, who helped him a lot....but even bringing back Gibbs couldn't save this franchise from Snyder.

Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Another clear example, look what discussion rules the Redskins right now, Cousins QB decision looms. Why? Complete mismanagement from the fucking top of the organization, AND LETS BE CLEAR, SNYDER IS a MAJOR Decision maker in who the QB is for this Franchise. His voice is among the highest. And its clear at this point, we have fucked it up from day 1. McC who was the GM said sign him....Bruce and Dan refused...now he will most likely walk without compensation.

This is absolutely ridiculous from a business sense. Complete shit show.

Now lets look at recent history with Dan and Bruce and the QB position:

Completely terrible trade for McNabb who the Coach at the time did not want

Completely terrible draft trade for RG3 for a coach who did not want.

And now this garbage with Cousins, the most competent QB of the Snyder era will walk and people are satisfied with no compensation. Terrible business decision.

Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.



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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by WillH

Based on Kirks comments this year, and Scots, it sounds more like they offered Cousins a contract during the 2015 season, Cousins wanted to but his agent wanted him to wait. After the season, Kirk wanted top be paid a big contract, but based on the talent evaluation of Mccloughan and Gruden they franchised him and said prove it. Cousins played well last year, and than shit the bed when it counted, but the FO still offered him a contract that was a legitimate starting point for negotiations, but Cousins wouldn't negotiate. There is no evidence that Bruce and Snyder interfered. What are you basing that on?

What you are so upset about would make more sense to me if last offseason they had said they were still unsure and wouldn't sign him long-term, but they did try. What should they have done differently?

I agree that if Kirk doesn't want to be here they should try to get compensation for him, and I agree that in hindsight they should have signed him before the first franchise tag, but only because now we now that Cousins would force a second tag, find me one person who said that at the time.

In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year. Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

In 2016, I think Snyder and Allen could have locked up Cousins in a 3 year deal around $19.5 mil per year. Instead they lowballed him at $16 mil per year and ended up having to franchise him at $20 mil that year.

They franchised him again in 2017 for $24 mil. The market value per the Stafford, Luck, and Carr contracts is about $25 mil. That's the minimum Kirk's contract will be worth now.

Now they are looking at either paying him $34 mil this year to guarantee him staying, or $28 mil this year and risk someone else taking a gamble on Kirk exceeding that price.

All this versus the Skins FO could have had Kirk locked up at $20 mil the past couple years, and not be looking at the escalating $ tag situation now.... Snyder and Allen screwed up big time.

No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...fl-free-agency






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[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by WillH

No, yeah, I get it, we all know what happened, but show me someone who said it would play out this way. Most were saying that they should franchise him and let him prove it was more than a good season.

For example:

"Kirk Cousins is also, however, a quarterback with one strong season who has lost more games as a starter than he's won. The leader of a team that, while winning the NFC East last year, finished the season 9-7.

That makes the giant check Washington is about to hand Cousins a risky bet no matter what course of action it takes."

Kirk Cousins Guaranteed to Be Overpaid in 2016 NFL Free Agency | Bleacher Report

I agree it was a hard choice, but that's the difference between a good FO and a bad one. The Lions high priced deal looks pretty good now. Luck and Carr don't seem exorbitant now, especially compared to what Cousins might get. The Patriots, well after the big deal Brady signed in 2010, since then he's helped the Pats big time giving them a hometown discount. Paying market value on a QB in all those cases is paying off.

The Skins OTOH, lowballed and lost.

There are at least two people who in their own actions basically said things would play out the way they have: Kirk and his agent. And they were absolutely right.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

I agree it was a hard choice, but that's the difference between a good FO and a bad one. The Lions high priced deal looks pretty good now. Luck and Carr don't seem exorbitant now, especially compared to what Cousins might get. The Patriots, well after the big deal Brady signed in 2010, since then he's helped the Pats big time giving them a hometown discount. Paying market value on a QB in all those cases is paying off.

The Skins OTOH, lowballed and lost.

There are at least two people who in their own actions basically said things would play out the way they have: Kirk and his agent. And they were absolutely right.

Well...

Luck, Stafford, and Brady all had more of a resume under their belts when they got their deals.

And Carr had a 12-3 season the year of his contract

And...

How much have the Luck, Stafford, and Carr deals really worked out yet?

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