Government shutdown 2018

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

A good negotiator knows when to step in, and when to stay out, of a deal process. This was a spat between Schumer and Senate rules. No need to bring in the presidential bully pulpit.

Id say that when the government shuts down or even nears shutdown the whole “deal process “ is not working. Everything he said in 2013 when Obama was at the helm is exactly the opposite when he is at the helm. Makes sense. Well in the trump world.
Spin it however u would like with your silence is golden but he clearly was not helpful during this deal....at all. And his childish tweets are not the mark of a good negotiator. They r the mark of a childish fool.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Id say that when the government shuts down or even nears shutdown the whole “deal process “ is not working. Everything he said in 2013 when Obama was at the helm is exactly the opposite when he is at the helm. Makes sense. Well in the trump world.
Spin it however u would like with your silence is golden but he clearly was not helpful during this deal....at all. And his childish tweets are not the mark of a good negotiator. They r the mark of a childish fool.

You can call it spin, but the government being closed Sat and Sunday was probably always the plan on both sides, there was no "real" pain from that, and both sides gauged how the spin was going. Clearly the Dems felt more heat, and after half a day were willing to walk back to the table with basically nothing.

Reagan was the "great communicator" but even he had to fire air traffic controllers to prove the point that he was willing to stand up to special interests. Trying to paint this as anything but a win for Trump and the republicans is ridiculous, and really shows how far the hatters gonna hat.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You can call it spin, but the government being closed Sat and Sunday was probably always the plan on both sides, there was no "real" pain from that

Reagan was the "great communicator" but even he had to fire air traffic controllers to prove the point that he was willing to stand up to special interests. Trying to paint this as anything but a win for Trump and the republicans is ridiculous, and really shows how far the hatters gonna hat.

Matty any real pain from not knowing if or when you were going to get paid again? I know both my kids felt a whole lot of pain....being Military spouse's. So again your spin is BS. The republicans run the WH ,Senate and House and this could have been avoided.


To call this a win for anyone is plain stupid.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Matty any real pain from not knowing if or when you were going to get paid again? I know both my kids felt a whole lot of pain....being Military spouse's. So again your spin is BS. The republicans run the WH ,Senate and House and this could have been avoided.





To call this a win for anyone is plain stupid.

Pretty sure Okie had just posted something about how this hurt his plans/pay for the week. He probably is not alone .... at all.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Pretty sure Okie had just posted something about how this hurt his plans/pay for the week. He probably is not alone .... at all.

Punch, it's a win. Trump/right get what they want, the left doesn't get what they want. We call that winning. There can't be any winning on both sides of the aisle, that's not how this works. There will always be a loser to counteract the winner.

Cred/Chico are you going to hold the Republican leaders of Congress responsible if they pretend like they didn't promise to revisit the issue in good faith by Feb 8th?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

Punch, it's a win. Trump/right get what they want, the left doesn't get what they want. We call that winning. There can't be any winning on both sides of the aisle, that's not how this works. There will always be a loser to counteract the winner.

Cred/Chico are you going to hold the Republican leaders of Congress responsible if they pretend like they didn't promise to revisit the issue in good faith by Feb 8th?

Let’s be honest they were on the right path working on it til someone said shithole...allegedly....That’s a deal breaker apparently.

I’d really like to see something get done when it’s comes to immigration. Getting daca and some border security would be a win for the American people.

[mooby]

I don't even care if they build the wall at this point. Nothing is going to pass regarding immigration reform unless they agree to it. The hilarious part is the whole "Mexico is gonna pay for it" concept. They aren't. Congress might agree to pay for it with the idea they will explore ways to get reimbursed by Mexico down the road, but in this age of 15 minute headlines nobody will hold them accountable for it.

All I want is for DACA recipients to have their situation resolved. 90% have jobs, are taxpaying contributors to this nation, have done nothing illegal to be deserving of being kicked out, you would think even the right can see they aren't worth fighting against. If you want to arrest illegal aliens who come to this country to commit crimes, i.e. gangmembers, etc. go right ahead.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Let’s be honest they were on the right path working on it til someone said shithole...allegedly....That’s a deal breaker apparently.



I’d really like to see something get done when it’s comes to immigration. Getting daca and some border security would be a win for the American people.

Allegedly my ass. Not one person denied or spoke up about anything for 18 hours. Than two hardline dipshits who originally stated that they did not recall suddenly, a week later, on fox, remembered crystal clear that he did not say it. Just stop. And who cares about his thoughts on a particular land mass. He was wondering why we need more PEOPLE from these shitholes.
And the only deal breaker is his racist buddy Miller whispering in his ear.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Punch, it's a win. Trump/right get what they want, the left doesn't get what they want. We call that winning. There can't be any winning on both sides of the aisle, that's not how this works. There will always be a loser to counteract the winner.

Cred/Chico are you going to hold the Republican leaders of Congress responsible if they pretend like they didn't promise to revisit the issue in good faith by Feb 8th?

Of course they are not. Lol.
They hold a majority and the white House. They all say they are for DACA. So why is nothing done about it? Why is a dumbass wall more important than these people’s lives? Oh yeah because of all those murdering rapist mexicans. Gtfoh. This disgusting excuse for a human being who is pulling on trumps strings will make sure it doesn’t get resolved.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by mooby

Punch, it's a win. Trump/right get what they want, the left doesn't get what they want. We call that winning. There can't be any winning on both sides of the aisle, that's not how this works. There will always be a loser to counteract the winner.

Cred/Chico are you going to hold the Republican leaders of Congress responsible if they pretend like they didn't promise to revisit the issue in good faith by Feb 8th?

Pisses me off classic democrats. Ask for very little and get even less. How you cannot close the deal on a widely popular DACA that has overwhelming bipartisan support is beyond me.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Pisses me off classic democrats. Ask for very little and get even less. How you cannot close the deal on a widely popular DACA that has overwhelming bipartisan support is beyond me.

There will be a deal over DACA, but you don't close down government a month and a half before the deadline, and draw an erasable line in the sand. The reason they chose last weekend was 2 fold, and both politically motivated by their base's hate for Trump.
1) it's a black eye for any president to have a government shutdown on the 1 year anniversary of his inauguration

2) if they could have sustained it to next week they could have held the State of the Union hostage.

Ultimately they won't feel much backlash - no one who is upset they caved is ever going to vote for a Republican, so it was worth a shot to score some anti Trump points.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Pisses me off classic democrats. Ask for very little and get even less. How you cannot close the deal on a widely popular DACA that has overwhelming bipartisan support is beyond me.

Because the Republicans only support it to an extent. They talk a big game for their constituents but apparently forgot to draft it up in the bill. Because Kelly and Miller are the ones “currently “ in charge of Trumps wandering mind and they could care less about DACA.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

You can call it spin, but the government being closed Sat and Sunday was probably always the plan on both sides, there was no "real" pain from that, and both sides gauged how the spin was going. Clearly the Dems felt more heat, and after half a day were willing to walk back to the table with basically nothing.



Reagan was the "great communicator" but even he had to fire air traffic controllers to prove the point that he was willing to stand up to special interests. Trying to paint this as anything but a win for Trump and the republicans is ridiculous, and really shows how far the hatters gonna hat.

At the end of the day trump and the republicans are willing to ruin people’s lives for a ridiculously ineffective and expensive wall just so they can check something off their list and satisfy the racists and xenophobes that make up a majority of their base. You call it a win. I call it further proof that he / they are out of touch with humanity.