Government shutdown 2018

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

So are you saying we should let it slide because the US does it too? I am saying you literally had a fake news account with 600,000 subscribers tweeting out bullshit that people were literally taking as fact because they thought it was ran by the GOP. Now yes, I blame that much more on Twitter/etc making it easy for bots/people with ill intent than the gov't but you really don't think that's an issue? All this crying about fake news when you literally have Russians spreading fake news to spread discord amongst us? I'm not even putting this all on the right either, it's a widespread problem on both sides. I'm literally dumbfounded you think the spread of misinformation to influence people is akin to kids crying at recess because they got picked on at dodgeball.

I am saying our electorate is filled with people who can't think and distinguish facts and democracy depends on voters who can think with more than just emotional heart strings.

Do I wish the world was a loving kind place where no country lied or used deceit? Sure. Do I think calling the Russians out for something they have been doing since the cold war days is of major importance? Not really. Putin was the head of the KGB for chrissakes, the things we know he is doing don't even compare to what we can't see.

I also am far more worried that our FBI, and intelligence services seemed to spend more time trying to play political games than actually working with facebook/twitter to take down obvious hacks.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am saying our electorate is filled with people who can't think and distinguish facts and democracy depends on voters who can think with more than just emotional heart strings.

Do I wish the world was a loving kind place where no country lied or used deceit? Sure. Do I think calling the Russians out for something they have been doing since the cold war days is of major importance? Not really. Putin was the head of the KGB for chrissakes, the things we know he is doing don't even compare to what we can't see.

I also am far more worried that our FBI, and intelligence services seemed to spend more time trying to play political games than actually working with facebook/twitter to take down obvious hacks.

It's interesting that this hasn't happened or been brought to light in the past. It's one common denominator and that's the asshole-in-chief. When multiple sources, both civilian and government are talking about what an asshole or a moron Drumpf is, at what point does that make it true? He's not some savant we're talking about here. I'm semi-young, but I don't recall Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 or Obama having his intelligence officers calling them an idiot. Maybe it's the technological society we live in these days...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

It's interesting that this hasn't happened or been brought to light in the past. It's one common denominator and that's the asshole-in-chief. When multiple sources, both civilian and government are talking about what an asshole or a moron Drumpf is, at what point does that make it true? He's not some savant we're talking about here. I'm semi-young, but I don't recall Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 or Obama having his intelligence officers calling them an idiot. Maybe it's the technological society we live in these days...

I have my own thoughts, which i obviously like to share .
1) I think that the FBI especially had nearly a 16 year period, both Bush and Obama's presidencies, where the upper echelon of the Bureau became far more politically sensitive. And I think Pres Obama was more willing to use the powers of the state for political purposes, the best example is the IRS scandal with Tea Party groups, but I imagine there are others as well.

2) I think that the world of social media has given everyone more willingness to buy into their world, and to view the other side with arrogance. I do think the left is more guilty of that but of course that could ironically just be my arrogance. I mean even this discourse, here we are on a football site debating the merits or lack there of everything politics. In the not too long past that was reserved to the halls of "great thinkers" with debate being a civil call for honest discussion. Now debate is little more than posting 3 links and calling your opponent a moron, or something of that nature.

3) Finally, I think you are a little naive if you don't remember Bush being called an idiot on many occasions while Obama was the Nobel Prize savior of the world. Before that Reagan was a gentle idiot that wanted to start bombing in 5 minutes while Clinton was just the wisest man of his time. There is a distinct bias in how people who stand for America first, and "american values" are viewed versus the wisdom of the global village.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I have my own thoughts, which i obviously like to share .
1) I think that the FBI especially had nearly a 16 year period, both Bush and Obama's presidencies, where the upper echelon of the Bureau became far more politically sensitive. And I think Pres Obama was more willing to use the powers of the state for political purposes, the best example is the IRS scandal with Tea Party groups, but I imagine there are others as well.

2) I think that the world of social media has given everyone more willingness to buy into their world, and to view the other side with arrogance. I do think the left is more guilty of that but of course that could ironically just be my arrogance. I mean even this discourse, here we are on a football site debating the merits or lack there of everything politics. In the not too long past that was reserved to the halls of "great thinkers" with debate being a civil call for honest discussion. Now debate is little more than posting 3 links and calling your opponent a moron, or something of that nature.

3) Finally, I think you are a little naive if you don't remember Bush being called an idiot on many occasions while Obama was the Nobel Prize savior of the world. Before that Reagan was a gentle idiot that wanted to start bombing in 5 minutes while Clinton was just the wisest man of his time. There is a distinct bias in how people who stand for America first, and "american values" are viewed versus the wisdom of the global village.

Oh, I remember him being called an idiot, but I don't remember it being by the FBI.