The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

Guess I’ll ask again, when was the last sign and trade in the NFL let alone a tag and trade? We’re talking about uncharted waters and people are saying it’s highly likely?? Based on what?

Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.

All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Why does it have to be based on any historical evidence? Facing the concept of tagging a player three times in a row is uncharted waters in itself, yet, do you doubt that will happen? I don't doubt it at all. I think it is very much on the table - but with caveats, obviously. I seriously doubt Kirk Cousins is straight up tagged with no plans for any negotiations with other teams. Tagging him with the transition tag gives him less money and no compensation for the 'skins if they choose not to match any deal. Tagging him the exclusive, but then granting him the opportunity to negotiate with other teams gives the 'skins an opportunity to get something from the deal if Cousins finds a team and a offer he likes and the 'skins aren't willing to match. And at the very least/most, Cousins has security, because either way, he knows he's getting PAID in 2018. The 'skins would love to get some high round picks for losing Cousins. Picks in which they could use to move up and grab one of the high round QB draftees, and still have money to sign a free agent QB with playoff experience. This all ONLY works if the Redskins already have a trade partner, or two (Denver or NY Jets) agreeing to dance. And if nobody bites and the offer is accepted, well, then the 'skins can use that to say that nobody was interested in signing Kirk Cousins, so here's the deal. If Cousins refuses the deal, then he plays at $34M.



All of this goes away if and when the Redskins offer Kirk Cousins a LTD after the Super Bowl. But what historical evidence do you have that would make us believe Cousins accepts that deal?

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by metalskins

Yes, because the Redskins aren't walking away from this without something in return. They either want to keep Kirk Cousins, or they want something in return to look as if everybody gets something from the deal. To simply let Cousins walk if he balks at a LTD would admit defeat and failure, and that isn't something Daniel Snyder likes to do. So, unless you hear about a LTD being struck with Cousins soon after the Super Bowl is over, you're going to start seeing the likelihood of some sort of trade with another team, and the 'skins can't do that unless they already have Cousins locked up and off the market. The 'skins can't make such a deal on a transition tag, and I don't believe they get anything of value with a non-exclusive tag this year (I could be wrong). So that's why I say it's highly likely. I'm not saying that is 100% going to happen, but it's highly likely if you don't see a LTD struck quickly.

There is no doubt in my mind that Dan would pay KC 34M Next yr just so he isn't defeated by getting nothing for KC.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

There is no doubt in my mind that Dan would pay KC 34M Next yr just so he isn't defeated by getting nothing for KC.

Yeah, that will show Kirk and everyone else!!! 78 million guaranteed over 3 years.

This franchise is a trainwreck.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Yeah, that will show Kirk and everyone else!!! 78 million guaranteed over 3 years.

This franchise is a trainwreck.

And then he gets the big money deal with another 80 mil guaranteed from another franchise lol.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

You lost me on your first sentence.

You’re saying something is highly likely to happen when there’s no history of it occurring.

What am I missing here.

Could it happen? Sure I guess. Highly likely though? Doubt it.

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

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see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

Take into consideration the other qb's that may be on the market, and a decent draft class, and it would seem like KC doesn't have as much leverage as he did last year.

In the Draft, Cleveland has 2 top 4 picks. NYG and Colts will either sell their pick or not likely take a qb at 2 and 3, so top qbs are likely to drop to Denver and NYJ at 5 and 6, who would have to be considered the top bidders for Kirk.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

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see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

It only takes 1.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

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see I don't really know how many though, I mean Jets and who else? Denver doesn't have that kind of money, Bills? Nah. Browns? Maybe but that is about it.

Kirk may leave for a lesser deal than expected

Jags Arizona Denver would be where I would start.

Jets, Bills, Browns are second tier...but all would be interested.

It wouldn’t be hard to clear cap space in Denver and elway is willing to do it.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

But we could franchise him and let him negotiate a deal with another team to receive compensation.

I don't think this is out of the question, there are other teams who would gladly guarantee 75-90 million for Cousins.

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

Kirk has said for two years now that he's never gotten to pick his team in the NFL and that he would like to test the market. In the past couple of years, the skins tagged him exclusively and did not give him permission to seek offers from other teams.

In the tag and trade scenario, he'd be given that opportunity finally. Not entertaining offers would be in total contradiction to what he's been saying.

If Kirk did this he'd be a dick, how the hell would he spin this in popular opinion? Wouldn't other teams see this and think twice about signing him?

So he either finds the right team and we work out the best deal we can, he doesn't like the other options and decides to finally negotiate a long term, or be a dick and see how it plays out.

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[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

Compensation is out of his hands...he will not turn down free agency bc of it.

Like I said before, the Skins need to handle this the right way.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by jamf

Why would KC want his new team to give up valuable picks for him?
If KC is tagged, he will play out the year and become a true unrestricted FA next year which is what he wants.
I don’t necessarily think he wants to leave but he does want the most money he can get and being and UFA is the best way to go about that.
34M next season is not a deterrent.

This is perhaps the best argument against the Skins tagging him again. This year, I think the Skins would be well-served by either signing Kirk to a LTD or moving on from him.