The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[Macro]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

If Elway were to get assurances from McCartney that Cousins would wait to sign with Denver, what would stop Cousins from sitting on the tag until April when FA was ostensibly over? If he knows what his preferred destination is, and if his preferred destination gets some assurances, I think that puts Denver/Cousins in position to call Allen’s bluff. All the while free agent opportunities pass the Redskins by.

Well, wait to April for what? To make the Redskins itch and finally cave and rescind the Tag? Or wait until April to come in and sign the Tag?

I believe that ultimately any ploy Cousins tries in not signing the tag actually negatively affects him and his market. I've argued that the only thing that act ensures is that the teams who want him, but see nothing but uncertainty, are going to get antsy themselves and start making decisions both in FA and the draft without knowing what his deal is, or when he might even be available.

He would only be hurting his earnings power as teams across the league, who would have otherwise offered him a contract, just allocate that money elsewhere.


So, not only would Cousins be holding hostage the Skins cap but he'd also be impacting his "new team's" cap by making them sit out FA in any real sense.
Those free agent opportunities also pass Elway and the Broncos bye as well, though. Assuming that's his team.

That's the thing for me, not only would the Redskins have to keep the cap space neccessaory for the tag and trade, but so too would Denver have to keep their cap space in order to sign Cousins were the Tag to be rescinded.


Folks have argued that Cousins would not agree to any tag and trade scenario because it would impact his new team by making them spend a draft pick, but Cousins not signing the tag makes his new team wait out FA too, makes them not spend money in FA to improve their team.

So, seems pretty defeating to me if one argues that any team trading for Cousins' contractual rights would be totally adverse to Cousins himself, while he'd willing enact a pact with Elway where they just wait out FA to see if the Skins break and rescind the Tag.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Macro

Well, wait to April for what? To make the Redskins itch and finally cave and rescind the Tag? Or wait until April to come in and sign the Tag?

I believe that ultimately any ploy Cousins tries in not signing the tag actually negatively affects him and his market. I've argued that the only thing that act ensures is that the teams who want him, but see nothing but uncertainty, are going to get antsy themselves and start making decisions both in FA and the draft without knowing what his deal is, or when he might even be available.

He would only be hurting his earnings power as teams across the league, who would have otherwise offered him a contract, just allocate that money elsewhere.


So, not only would Cousins be holding hostage the Skins cap but he'd also be impacting his "new team's" cap by making them sit out FA in any real sense.
Those free agent opportunities also pass Elway and the Broncos bye as well, though. Assuming that's his team.

That's the thing for me, not only would the Redskins have to keep the cap space neccessaory for the tag and trade, but so too would Denver have to keep their cap space in order to sign Cousins were the Tag to be rescinded.


Folks have argued that Cousins would not agree to any tag and trade scenario because it would impact his new team by making them spend a draft pick, but Cousins not signing the tag makes his new team wait out FA too, makes them not spend money in FA to improve their team.

So, seems pretty defeating to me if one argues that any team trading for Cousins' contractual rights would be totally adverse to Cousins himself, while he'd willing enact a pact with Elway where they just wait out FA to see if the Skins break and rescind the Tag.

The whole thing seems like way too much effort all for like a 3rd round pick. There are easier ways to get more picks, mainly trading down in draft, that lets Cousins go where he wants and saves all the scrutiny from the media and fans. Plus our track record practically guarantees this blows up in our faces.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Macro

Well, wait to April for what? To make the Redskins itch and finally cave and rescind the Tag? Or wait until April to come in and sign the Tag?

I believe that ultimately any ploy Cousins tries in not signing the tag actually negatively affects him and his market. I've argued that the only thing that act ensures is that the teams who want him, but see nothing but uncertainty, are going to get antsy themselves and start making decisions both in FA and the draft without knowing what his deal is, or when he might even be available.

He would only be hurting his earnings power as teams across the league, who would have otherwise offered him a contract, just allocate that money elsewhere.


So, not only would Cousins be holding hostage the Skins cap but he'd also be impacting his "new team's" cap by making them sit out FA in any real sense.
Those free agent opportunities also pass Elway and the Broncos bye as well, though. Assuming that's his team.

That's the thing for me, not only would the Redskins have to keep the cap space neccessaory for the tag and trade, but so too would Denver have to keep their cap space in order to sign Cousins were the Tag to be rescinded.


Folks have argued that Cousins would not agree to any tag and trade scenario because it would impact his new team by making them spend a draft pick, but Cousins not signing the tag makes his new team wait out FA too, makes them not spend money in FA to improve their team.

So, seems pretty defeating to me if one argues that any team trading for Cousins' contractual rights would be totally adverse to Cousins himself, while he'd willing enact a pact with Elway where they just wait out FA to see if the Skins break and rescind the Tag.

This is an excellent point.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an excellent point.

Which as I have said before a team like Denver doesn't want to wait and see with KC, they WANT him now

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Which as I have said before a team like Denver doesn't want to wait and see with KC, they WANT him now

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

I have said that too, 23M? Maybe but I still think the offer last yr which was reported to be 20+ a year was a great offer. In the end I dont see a trade happening but I don't blame the team for trying to get a good pick for kirk

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

That is the key assumption in all of this. It is very much within the realm of possibility that Denver, or other teams, could decide that they like Cousins but don't love him, so to speak.

Meaning that if Washington wants to force a 3rd rounder and a player as compensation, the Broncos could very well say nah you know what, we're good. We'll pursue another player as a bridge and draft somebody to groom.

In this thought exercise we're assuming there's a major market for Cousins. We'll find out just how major.

I'd argue myself that he's not worth $27M per season, let alone worth $27M plus a trade package. We'll see.

Exactly, it's hard to see Denver specifically trading for KC with the possibility of Foles, the 3 Vikings qbs, and the draft. I think it's MUCH more likely that Denver trades for Nick Foles (for example) and gives up their 2nd round pick. Philly gains cap space. Denver can sign Foles to an Alex Smith type deal, taking this years cap hit at around 10M, and still cut Talib, leaving them with a +25M cap space.

The only team with enough cap space to make the sign and trade remotely plausible is the Jets. (Cleveland too, but KC is not signing up for Cleveland)

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This is an excellent point.

not really, because signing KC basically eats up Denver's cap space anyways. So they won't be players. The Broncos according to Overthecap have about 27M in cap space. If they are intent on signing KC, they aren't 1st week players in FA anyways.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

not really, because signing KC basically eats up Denver's cap space anyways. So they won't be players. The Broncos according to Overthecap have about 27M in cap space. If they are intent on signing KC, they aren't 1st week players in FA anyways.

They have been rumored to be cutting big $ guys like Talib coming up and probably others like Thomas if they need too.