The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

I would still do and have a contract ready to offer exactly the same as was offered to Smith. Then have a trade worked out for March 14th.

Worse thing that happens is either he signs or wins a grievance.

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Those would be incredibly bad options.

1) If he files a grievance then the 34M would be against our cap until that is resolved. Basically a self inflicted cap penalty for this year. Several things would follow as a result of that:
a) we could not execute the trade for AS, so we would have no qb of note going into the offseason.
b) we could not use the FT on Zach Brown or any other player, so likely would lose at least one player we want to keep
c) if did try to get AS, then we would have zero cap space while the grievance proceeds.

2) I don't see where you think he would sign the AS deal, without a grievance. But even if he did, the relationship would be even worse than what ever it was last year, and that's not a qb you want on your team.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Those would be incredibly bad options.

1) If he files a grievance then the 34M would be against our cap until that is resolved. Basically a self inflicted cap penalty for this year. Several things would follow as a result of that:
a) we could not execute the trade for AS, so we would have no qb of note going into the offseason.
b) we could not use the FT on Zach Brown or any other player, so likely would lose at least one player we want to keep
c) if did try to get AS, then we would have zero cap space while the grievance proceeds.

2) I don't see where you think he would sign the AS deal, without a grievance. But even if he did, the relationship would be even worse than what ever it was last year, and that's not a qb you want on your team.

I don't think he would sign an AS deal. But it shows a reasonable offer.

They can use it Feb 20 and do a trade or rescind it march 14th

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

I don't think he would sign an AS deal. But it shows a reasonable offer.

They can use it Feb 20 and do a trade or rescind it march 14th

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I don't think you get the point of the section I quoted earlier - it specifically states that's a violation:

It shall be deemed to be a violation of this provision if, while the tender is outstanding, a Club insists that such a player agree to a Player Contract at a compensation level during the upcoming season below that of the Required Tender amount.

By offering the FT tender the Skins would be making the legal declaration that they intend to have KC back on contract on the 1st game of the season AT the tender amount, unless the two sides mutually agree on a long term deal. Having a deal that KC won't sign on the table, and a contract offered to AS which would put us over the cap with the FT amount would seemingly be a no brainer for the grievance judge to find us in violation.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I don't think you get the point of the section I quoted earlier - it specifically states that's a violation:

By offering the FT tender the Skins would be making the legal declaration that they intend to have KC back on contract on the 1st game of the season AT the tender amount, unless the two sides mutually agree on a long term deal. Having a deal that KC won't sign on the table, and a contract offered to AS which would put us over the cap with the FT amount would seemingly be a no brainer for the grievance judge to find us in violation.

They can structure the deal so that he is getting his tender offer this year.

Trust me if the Skins have it in place to get a second or higher than they will tag him. There is a reason you have lawyers.

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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

They can structure the deal so that he is getting his tender offer this year.

Trust me if the Skins have it in place to get a second or higher than they will tag him. There is a reason you have lawyers.

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If they structure a deal that gives KC 34M this year, why would he go somewhere else, and why would he take it? He would sign the FT, refuse any less available LT deal, and be 100% free next year. Take the 34M, tell the world that hey, that's what the CBA has put in place, and I'm looking forward to FA next year. Meanwhile the Skins would have a QB who is clearly not playing for the team, a 34M cap hit and the entire team in disarray.

OR

They let KC go, be done with the drama, sign AS to a reasonable deal, and start building the team around him.

Your plan would have the Skins clutching at straws to get a 2nd round pick while risking serious Cap and Draft penalties if KC filed a grievance and won.
WHY RISK IT.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If they structure a deal that gives KC 34M this year, why would he go somewhere else, and why would he take it? He would sign the FT, refuse any less available LT deal, and be 100% free next year. Take the 34M, tell the world that hey, that's what the CBA has put in place, and I'm looking forward to FA next year. Meanwhile the Skins would have a QB who is clearly not playing for the team, a 34M cap hit and the entire team in disarray.

OR

They let KC go, be done with the drama, sign AS to a reasonable deal, and start building the team around him.

Your plan would have the Skins clutching at straws to get a 2nd round pick while risking serious Cap and Draft penalties if KC filed a grievance and won.
WHY RISK IT.

And you trade him if he signs.

You only offer it if you have a trade ready.

Your long term deal is for the same money AS is getting just structured differently.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Dan73

And you trade him if he signs.

No one will trade for him at that price,no one.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Dan73

And you trade him if he signs.

You only offer it if you have a trade ready.

Your long term deal is for the same money AS is getting just structured differently.

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First, If we sign KC to a deal, AS is not coming here. Why would he.

2nd, you are missing a whole lot of the points:
1) we can't negotiate with other teams without the FT in place. But if we negotiate, KC's lawyers would argue that proves our intent was not in good faith.
2) It doesn't matter if the LTD is the same money, If KC gets 34M this year, which he would, WHY would he sign it, when he can sign the FT and get 34M this year and be free and clear of the Skins next year?? He already has shown that is how he would handle it by the past two years.
3) What team, if the Skins have a deal on the table with KC for the FT tender amount this year, is going to make a trade for him? No other team is going to pay him the cap sum of 34M this year?
4) We would be stupid to put our team on the hook for 34M for a QB we have moved on from.
5) A second round pick isn't worth risking the cap penalty or loss of draft picks that losing a grievance (WHICH KC HAS SAID HE WILL FILE) that you have at best a 50/50 shot to win. (We would definitely lose it, but I am saying 50/50 because weirder things have happened)