The FINAL Kirk Cousins Saga thread. 5.0

[mooby]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Smith wanting to be here is a very underrated, under appreciated part of this trade.

Agreed, it was one of the few initial bright spots that I liked. For all his words, Kirk's actions seemed to tell a different story. If he had wanted to be here, a deal would've gotten done.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by mooby

Agreed, it was one of the few initial bright spots that I liked. For all his words, Kirk's actions seemed to tell a different story. If he had wanted to be here, a deal would've gotten done.

I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.

Go back in time and ask a lot of us if Kirk Cousins should've been signed to a LTD after 2015, and most of us would have said, absolutely, YES! Ask the talking heads and other sports fans from around the league during that point and they would've said, "Kirk hasn't beaten a winning team, hasn't won a playoff game, Kirk Cousins is a stat whore, Cousins is trash."

Go back to after the 2016 season, and a lot of us were saying, "Yes, we didn't make the playoffs but there's two winning seasons in a row, and Kirk proved that 2015 wasn't a fluke for him. So, he deserves to be paid!" However, also remember that during the off season, Kirk's agent said they were not interested in any contract negotiations until Cousins is tagged. That should've been the first sign that Cousins didn't want to be in Washington, and only a tremendous, outlandish contract would keep him here. I also remember hearing little comments (that I honestly didn't believe but now, maybe there was some truth to it) about how Cousins asked for a trade and about how he wasn't signing with Washington while Bruce Allen was in town. I have no idea if any of that was true, but seeing how everything has transpired, I'm not sure I wouldn't believe any of that stuff to be the case.

Having said that, in retrospect, the only chance the Redskins really had of signing Kirk Cousins was back in 2015. His bet on himself in 2016 was to prove he's marketable enough to leave town and make bank. The team did the best thing they could do in the present, which is let Cousins walk and sign Alex Smith. I support them 100% in this venture. Yes, they should've signed him after 2015, because honestly, they had no chance after 2016.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I am surprised how many of you are backing the front office in this. After what the Skins did to him, he has played this perfectly.

I agree he played the FO like a fiddle to get the most money with the least commitment. I agree that the FO had opportunities to go different routes that may or may not have worked. I don't agree with the comment "After what the Skins did to him". Sorry 2 FT and 45M later, with Gruden and SM backing him over RG3, IF he couldn't get past that, that's his issue, not the Skins.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree he played the FO like a fiddle to get the most money with the least commitment. I agree that the FO had opportunities to go different routes that may or may not have worked. I don't agree with the comment "After what the Skins did to him". Sorry 2 FT and 45M later, with Gruden and SM backing him over RG3, IF he couldn't get past that, that's his issue, not the Skins.

He could have had a chance to compete and even be a starter on another team ,instead he had to sit behind RGIII and wait as a player I can see how that would piss him off.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He could have had a chance to compete and even be a starter on another team ,instead he had to sit behind RGIII and wait as a player I can see how that would piss him off.

So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.

....you forgot to add in tagging him, twice and yes.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

....you forgot to add in tagging him, twice and yes.

only if you don't look at the post I made that led to your post that I responded to.


But whatever. This "Final" thread has moved to the too many pages to load right, so sadly, it won't be the final thread.

[Dan73]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.

I don't think they did him wrong but I wouldn't draft 2 rookies. You should have a vet to groom and guide a rookie. If you draft a guy with a fragile ego or who is impressionable you end up with what the Skins got.

The problem with what happened is both guys were about themselves and not the team.

RG3 become RGme

And all we heard about was Kirk getting on himself and Kirk's stats but ignore team wins.

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[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So sitting behind a number 2 overall pick for 2 years qualifies as the Skins doin him wrong 5 years later. Nah.

Without seeing the full discussion, I think you're oversimplifying it here. Skins did him dirty by never offering him a fair deal until they were backed into a corner. When it was time for the two parties to meet and negotiate fairly the Skins tried to be cheap and it cost them.

But it's done now, so we have to move on. We have Alex Smith, who clearly wants to be here.

G1, I meant that for all the PC talk Kirk did (I'm leaving it to my agent, I don't want to talk contracts right now, etc.) he never came out and said "I want to be here long-term." Even Chris Thompson was talking about how he never got that feeling from him.

I think the timeline was something along the lines of: Kirk finally clicks as a starter, we cheap on the initial offer, Kirk feels slighted, probably doesn't feel wanted by the FO esp. after McC leaves, decides to only play for us if we keep tagging him which we do until it becomes untenable. Now he will walk in FA and if the lack of suitors is to be believed, probably goes to Denver on something like AAV of 27ish mil a year, which will lead to fans talking about how he didn't get 30 (which seems outlandish given I haven't seen any credible projections saying he could get 30 a year). I think worst case scenario, he takes 25ish a year to go to Denver. Best case scenario who the hell knows. Median prob 27 a year. I'm just saying even after the huge Jimmy G. deal this year I don't see Kirk blowing that out the water.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mooby

Without seeing the full discussion, I think you're oversimplifying it here. Skins did him dirty by never offering him a fair deal until they were backed into a corner. When it was time for the two parties to meet and negotiate fairly the Skins tried to be cheap and it cost them.

But it's done now, so we have to move on. We have Alex Smith, who clearly wants to be here.

G1, I meant that for all the PC talk Kirk did (I'm leaving it to my agent, I don't want to talk contracts right now, etc.) he never came out and said "I want to be here long-term." Even Chris Thompson was talking about how he never got that feeling from him.

I think the timeline was something along the lines of: Kirk finally clicks as a starter, we cheap on the initial offer, Kirk feels slighted, probably doesn't feel wanted by the FO esp. after McC leaves, decides to only play for us if we keep tagging him which we do until it becomes untenable. Now he will walk in FA and if the lack of suitors is to be believed, probably goes to Denver on something like AAV of 27ish mil a year, which will lead to fans talking about how he didn't get 30 (which seems outlandish given I haven't seen any credible projections saying he could get 30 a year). I think worst case scenario, he takes 25ish a year to go to Denver. Best case scenario who the hell knows. Median prob 27 a year. I'm just saying even after the huge Jimmy G. deal this year I don't see Kirk blowing that out the water.

With over 1000 posts in this topic I think all the points on all the sides have been overly expanded on, so if I simplify at this point, c'est la vie. The FO isn't blameless but KC isn't either.

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