Looking at the draft.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by WillH

I have been in favor of getting Payne or Vea, but given the depth in the draft at other positions of need, I wouldn't mind if they go after Poe in FA.

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I like Poe.
But would signing him allow us to resign Zach Brown, and at least some among Breeland, Long, Galette, Murphy, Quick, (Paul? Hopkins?) AND find a #1 WR and a LG and/or a RB ?
We should have around 34M in cap space.

If we trade down we'll have picks to find a starting LG, and I know a lot here hope we draft a RB, but we still have a lot of needs to address.
As critical as finding another dominant DT is, I don't see the urgency of spending 2 "spots" on this position. Draft or FA, not sure about both...
Allen and Ioannidis are coming back, our DL is not as weak as the end of the season suggested.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I like Poe.
But would signing him allow us to resign Zach Brown, and at least some among Breeland, Long, Galette, Murphy, Quick, (Paul? Hopkins?) AND find a #1 WR and a LG and/or a RB ?
We should have around 34M in cap space.

If we trade down we'll have picks to find a starting LG, and I know a lot here hope we draft a RB, but we still have a lot of needs to address.
As critical as finding another dominant DT is, I don't see the urgency of spending 2 "spots" on this position. Draft or FA, not sure about both...
Allen and Ioannidis are coming back, our DL is not as weak as the end of the season suggested.

You're right. You caught me fantasizing about having a killer D-Line.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You're right. You caught me fantasizing about having a killer D-Line.

Haha I like the idea too.
But not if it comes at the expense of finally having a running game and putting weapons around Smith.

But hey, maybe we resign most of our guys, our only significant FA signings are Poe and Paul Richardson, we manage to get a 4th/5th for Cravens, we trade down and can get a DT, a RB and a guard in the first 4 rounds... I don't hate this plan, but it contains quite a lot of unknowns and risks taken.

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[WillH]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I like Poe.
But would signing him allow us to resign Zach Brown, and at least some among Breeland, Long, Galette, Murphy, Quick, (Paul? Hopkins?) AND find a #1 WR and a LG and/or a RB ?
We should have around 34M in cap space.

If we trade down we'll have picks to find a starting LG, and I know a lot here hope we draft a RB, but we still have a lot of needs to address.
As critical as finding another dominant DT is, I don't see the urgency of spending 2 "spots" on this position. Draft or FA, not sure about both...
Allen and Ioannidis are coming back, our DL is not as weak as the end of the season suggested.

Sorry, I meant Poe instead of the draft. Because we have other holes like RB, G, WR, and LB that there is some depth in the draft at especially in rounds 2 and 3 and there aren't as great of options in FA (except G). I prefer we trade back start with LB, then go G, RB, and WR, then add some secondary and DL depth later in the draft.

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[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

As critical as finding another dominant DT is, I don't see the urgency of spending 2 "spots" on this position. Draft or FA, not sure about both...

There is definitely an argument to going all in on D line investment.

Philly from this year is the case in point.

Their secondary was mediocre at best and Cooley and other analysts named them as a weakness. Their LB corps was injured early on and continued to be banged up throughout their Super Bowl run. These "weaknesses" were covered by the play and depth of their Dline.

Philly strategically invests in the Dline and rotates them throughout the game.

Their strategy is pressure from a fresh talented Dline can and does cover deficiencies in other defensive units. It worked against one of the best QBs and game planning coaches in the league to win a world championship.

I think there is a strong argument that Dline, like a good running game, is greater than the sum of their parts and positively affects other units and game aspects.

It reduces the coverage time, and thus the time for the secondary to F up. It keeps LBs clean and unblocked to tackle a runner. It messes with a QBs timing and can get in his head.

I don't think a team can ever go wrong by drafting or signing a game changing defensive lineman.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

There is definitely an argument to going all in on D line investment.

Philly from this year is the case in point.

Their secondary was mediocre at best and Cooley and other analysts named them as a weakness. Their LB corps was injured early on and continued to be banged up throughout their Super Bowl run. These "weaknesses" were covered by the play and depth of their Dline.

Philly strategically invests in the Dline and rotates them throughout the game.

Their strategy is pressure from a fresh talented Dline can and does cover deficiencies in other defensive units. It worked against one of the best QBs and game planning coaches in the league to win a world championship.

I think there is a strong argument that Dline, like a good running game, is greater than the sum of their parts and positively affects other units and game aspects.

It reduces the coverage time, and thus the time for the secondary to F up. It keeps LBs clean and unblocked to tackle a runner. It messes with a QBs timing and can get in his head.

I don't think a team can ever go wrong by drafting or signing a game changing defensive lineman.

Dudes on the locked on draft podcast said this. They also said that with the DL depth and diversity of play style in this draft class, it would make a lot of sense for a team to double dip


They were hyping Nathan Shepherd

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

There is definitely an argument to going all in on D line investment.

Philly from this year is the case in point.

Their secondary was mediocre at best and Cooley and other analysts named them as a weakness. Their LB corps was injured early on and continued to be banged up throughout their Super Bowl run. These "weaknesses" were covered by the play and depth of their Dline.

Philly strategically invests in the Dline and rotates them throughout the game.

Their strategy is pressure from a fresh talented Dline can and does cover deficiencies in other defensive units. It worked against one of the best QBs and game planning coaches in the league to win a world championship.

I think there is a strong argument that Dline, like a good running game, is greater than the sum of their parts and positively affects other units and game aspects.

It reduces the coverage time, and thus the time for the secondary to F up. It keeps LBs clean and unblocked to tackle a runner. It messes with a QBs timing and can get in his head.

I don't think a team can ever go wrong by drafting or signing a game changing defensive lineman.

Good points.

If we can resign Zach Brown and Breeland, sign Paul Richardson and still have the room to sign Poe. I'm ok with it.
Then you can trade down and go DT, RB, G in the first 3.

But I'm not sure the first part of this statement is realistic from a cap standpoint.

[sdskinsfan2001]

- Resign Brown and Breeland if you can get them for a combined 15 million, otherwise pick 1 of them
- Sign a starting LG
- Sign Paul Richardson

- Draft Payne/Vea and RB in the 1st 2 rounds

Based on above, if needed, draft another CB or MLB asap with remaining picks.

This would be my money combo of off season and beginning of draft.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

- Resign Brown and Breeland if you can get them for a combined 15 million, otherwise pick 1 of them
- Sign a starting LG
- Sign Paul Richardson

- Draft Payne/Vea and RB in the 1st 2 rounds

Based on above, if needed, draft another CB or MLB asap with remaining picks.

This would be my money combo of off season and beginning of draft.

Good plan.
Except I'd rather keep Breeland and draft a LG.
I feel like it's easier to draft and play a guard than a corner. DBs need at the very least one season to adapt.

Are we confortable with Dunbar starting outside opposite Norman ? Moreau could be the guy but for now I'd rather have him inside.

We can't draft a CB in the 4th and hope he'll be a solid starter day 1.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Good plan.
Except I'd rather keep Breeland and draft a LG.
I feel like it's easier to draft and play a guard than a corner. DBs need at the very least one season to adapt.

Are we confortable with Dunbar starting outside opposite Norman ? Moreau could be the guy but for now I'd rather have him inside.

We can't draft a CB in the 4th and hope he'll be a solid starter day 1.

My thought process is, I think we're a LG away from having top 2 or 3 line in the NFL. So I'd like to get that solidified with proven vet. Have a bunch of war daddies up front for our new RB and Alex Smith, then add Richardson for another deep threat.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

My thought process is, I think we're a LG away from having top 2 or 3 line in the NFL. So I'd like to get that solidified with proven vet. Have a bunch of war daddies up front for our new RB and Alex Smith, then add Richardson for another deep threat.

I hear you.
But then we better get a good deal trading down, be successful with our early picks and lucky with our late picks otherwise or our defense is gonna miss some pieces.