Basically, it all starts with Portis

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

While he may not have any business being a GM, his post was exactly right. We overpay, give up draft picks, have no depth on the D-line, and if one player goes down, there's no one who can adequately replace him -- see Boschetti, Killings, and Aki Jones. Gibbs, Snyder, and Cerrato cannot escape blame for that.

I get your point..................but, If he doesn't have any business being GM, it would tend to discount the accuracy of his argument.
In a perfect world some of these things may be true. However, when Gibbs and his team took the skins, as we all know, the team had been in COMPLETE disarray for some time. When you must make radical player changes immediately, and the timing is not of your choosing, you make the best deal you can. It may not be the deal you want. Being in a weak bargaining position, makes it impossible to drive a really good deal, so you do the best you can.
Additionally, it is real easy to blow up a speculative, foundationless commentary when the author has no skin on the table.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I get your point..................but, If he doesn't have any business being GM, it would tend to discount the accuracy of his argument.
In a perfect world some of these things may be true. However, when Gibbs and his team took the skins, as we all know, the team had been in COMPLETE disarray for some time. When you must make radical player changes immediately, and the timing is not of your choosing, you make the best deal you can. It may not be the deal you want. Being in a weak bargaining position, makes it impossible to drive a really good deal, so you do the best you can.
Additionally, it is real easy to blow up a speculative, foundationless commentary when the author has no skin on the table.

Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

[FirstandTen]

Were not the only team making mistakes. Here's a list of the top 25 player salaries in 2004.

Manning, Peyton $ 35,037,700 Indianapolis Colts
2 Pennington, Chad $ 19,004,000 New York Jets
3 Kearse, Jevon $ 16,536,500 Philadelphia Eagles
4 Tomlinson, LaDainian $ 16,000,000 San Diego Chargers
5 Wistrom, Grant $ 15,503,200 Seattle Seahawks
6 Portis, Clinton $ 13,380,000 Washington Redskins
7 Tait, John $ 13,085,000 Chicago Bears
8 Vick, Michael $ 12,502,400 Atlanta Falcons
9 Winfield, Antoine $ 12,500,000 Minnesota Vikings
10 Arrington, LaVar $ 11,835,000 Washington Redskins
11 Walker, Gary $ 11,804,000 Houston Texans
12 Clifton, Chad $ 11,536,500 Green Bay Packers
13 Woody, Damien $ 11,504,000 Detroit Lions
14 McNabb, Donovan $ 11,002,300 Philadelphia Eagles
15 Springs, Shawn $ 10,910,000 Washington Redskins
16 Ogden, Jonathan $ 10,660,299 Baltimore Ravens
17 Harrison, Marvin $ 10,560,165 Indianapolis Colts
18 Wade, Todd $ 10,539,800 Houston Texans
19 McAlister, Chris $ 10,534,906 Baltimore Ravens
20 Robertson, Dewayne $ 10,516,250 New York Jets
21 Ogunleye, Adewale $ 10,455,000 Chicago Bears
22 Rogers, Shaun $ 9,480,000 Detroit Lions
23 Bulger, Marc $ 9,459,200 St. Louis Rams
24 Brunell, Mark $ 9,364,300 Washington Redskins
25 Gallery, Robert $ 9,300,016 Oakland Raiders

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by offiss

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

So you're suggesting we could've taken all that money and done what with it? If Snyder had not spent the money on those players, he would've done the exact same thing, but with different players. So instead of paying our current stars, three of which are in the prime of their careers, we'd have 100 million plus locked up in the 2005 versions of Deion Sanders, Bruce Smith, and Jeff George.

Every team in the league pays big bucks to it's stars. If you want a team with a bunch of low payed nobodies, become an Arizona Cardinals fan.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post you don't agree with is as baseless as it gets, why don't you go ahead and explain how we are better off for having all 4 of those players, all 4 of which I said we shouldn't either extend their contracts, or trade for, before their signings became reality, now my evaluation of these players are starting to become more and more apparent, and yet so long as they play for the skins they are somehow better than what they really are because their redskins.


You make it sound as if we were pigeonholed into the Portis trade, or the Brunell trade, or resigning Samuels, what about Lavar?

Portis- 50.mil
Lavar- 68mil
Samuels- 47mil
Brunell- 43mil

Thats 208 million dollar's between 4 players, I want to hear which individual believes that these are deal's that are, decent, or even liveable, those salaries are disgusting for what they bring to the table, DISGUSTING!

No 208 million minus those 4 wouldn't go towards vastly improving our team? NOOOOOOOOO?

Further more if you can't get the deal you want don't go out and break the bank to do so.

What you are trying to pass as an arguement is ABSURD! What NFL contract goes to completion without restructure? Who would you have replace Brunell, and for what price? Do you suggest he is not doing the job? What do you envision as a legitimate, realistic salary for a starting NFL QB? More importantly, WHAT could POSSIBLY make you BELIEVE YOUR opinion is anything more than that????? I ask this question because I CANNOT POSSIBLY imagine!

[STPainmaker]

Mind your words your post is no better than anyone elses.


[QUOTE=offiss]Relying on another posters ignorant comment as the basis to discredit a post