NFL Anthem Policy

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I love the blow back of Make America Great Again. The left reply has been this entire country is offensive and sux. The pledge, the flag, the star spangle banner, and nationalism in general is under attack.

But this fact remains true, we are the best, most dominant country in the world since the industrial revolution and that is only because of the people who built it. If you want to cry and complain, do so but you know deep down there is no better place in the world but here. Enjoy your day!!!

Let’s take it a little easy on the “we are best” thing. There are lots of important things we are not best at. Health care, education, condition of infrastructure are among many examples where we are certainly not leaders. As an example, infant mortality rates are the highest in this country of all developed nations, higher even than Cuba, for god’s sake.

So take it a little easier when you pound your chest.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Let’s take it a little easy on the “we are best” thing. There are lots of important things we are not best at. Health care, education, condition of infrastructure are among many examples where we are certainly not leaders. As an example, infant mortality rates are the highest in this country of all developed nations, higher even than Cuba, for god’s sake.

So take it a little easier when you pound your chest.

I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.

The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.

I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.



The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.



I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.

You obviously haven’t done much traveling. Lol

[SkinsGuru]

so i'm confused over the whole disrespecting the flag part . . . i've always been under the impression that kneeling or genuflecting to something is one of the highest forms of respect there is . . . so how Kaepernick kneeling with his hand over his heart disrespecting anything? If you go to church and stand when you should be kneeling . . . that is disrespect, not the other way around.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SkinsGuru

so i'm confused over the whole disrespecting the flag part . . . i've always been under the impression that kneeling or genuflecting to something is one of the highest forms of respect there is . . . so how Kaepernick kneeling with his hand over his heart disrespecting anything? If you go to church and stand when you should be kneeling . . . that is disrespect, not the other way around.

I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.

Just out of curiosity do you stand with ur hand over ur heart when the song comes on your television? Do you know that it was a veteran that told Kaep instead of sitting the correct thing to do is kneel if you are protesting? Lastly and most importantly do u know that Kaep is in no way protesting our flag, our military, or some song the NFL has been playing before games for like ten years? This is all some spin that donny trump (who ducked fighting for his country more than once ) is spouting out of his pie hole to rile up his base for political purposes.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just out of curiosity do you stand with ur hand over ur heart when the song comes on your television?

Yes. *your

Originally Posted by punch it in

Do you know that it was a veteran that told Kaep instead of sitting the correct thing to do is kneel if you are protesting?

Yes. He was simply sitting during the NA before he was told to at least be somewhat respectful and take a knee.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Lastly and most importantly do u know that Kaep is in no way protesting our flag, our military, or some song the NFL has been playing before games for like ten years? This is all some spin that donny trump (who ducked fighting for his country more than once ) is spouting out of his pie hole to rile up his base for political purposes.

I know what he's protesting.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by metalskins

I don't believe Kaepernick was kneeling and putting his hand over his heart.

Actually his left hand might be close. Lol.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Actually his left hand might be close. Lol.

LOL! Closer to his stomach. He also looks bored.

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I agree with education, which I think has been the most avoided issue in the country for 25 years. But still, higher education we still issue a ton of Student Visas per year for folks who want to come here and study. The cost is insane for higher education.

The infant mortality...I honestly had to look back but clearly remember this stat around 5 years ago because this was a favorite of folks who favor socialized healthcare. The problem with those rankings is the scope/criteria is not consistent in world wide reporting. Cuba isn't a reliable comparison...its Cuba.

I still have us ranked #1 in the world though...woot woot.

Facts do speak for themselves, and there is no arguing that we are dead last among developed countries in infant mortality. Your reply about inconsistent reporting is pure made up BS, sorry. And yes, even lowly Cuba has better statistics here, primarily because they have more consistent free post natal care. We have a shameful record on health care in general, but it’s truly horrific when our poor have to withhold needed medical treatment from our kids for financial reasons.

And that’s all I have to say about that...

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SCRedskinsFan

Facts do speak for themselves, and there is no arguing that we are dead last among developed countries in infant mortality. Your reply about inconsistent reporting is pure made up BS, sorry. And yes, even lowly Cuba has better statistics here, primarily because they have more consistent free post natal care. We have a shameful record on health care in general, but it’s truly horrific when our poor have to withhold needed medical treatment from our kids for financial reasons.

And that’s all I have to say about that...

What I meant for scope/criteria is essentially measurement of infant mortality and how countries define it. The method of calculating IMR often varies widely between countries, and is based on how they define a live birth and how many premature infants are born in the country. Reporting of infant mortality rates can be inconsistent, and may be understated, depending on a nation's live birth criterion, vital registration system, and reporting practices. Differences in measurement could play a substantial role in the disparity between the US and other nations. A non-viable live birth in the US could be registered as a stillbirth in similarly developed nations like Japan, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands, and France – thereby reducing the infant death count.

And Cuba touts its Healthcare as much as it does its literacy rates...these IMR measurements are government control. I really hope you wouldn't want you or your partner to feel more safe having a child in Cuba...I wouldn't.

Not saying there isn't a problem and we cant improve, but we doing aight. Ill give our Infant mortality rate a half-chest pound with a subtle "'Murica". Thanks for pushing me to know the issue a little more.

#offseason

[SCRedskinsFan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

What I meant for scope/criteria is essentially measurement of infant mortality and how countries define it. The method of calculating IMR often varies widely between countries, and is based on how they define a live birth and how many premature infants are born in the country. Reporting of infant mortality rates can be inconsistent, and may be understated, depending on a nation's live birth criterion, vital registration system, and reporting practices. Differences in measurement could play a substantial role in the disparity between the US and other nations. A non-viable live birth in the US could be registered as a stillbirth in similarly developed nations like Japan, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, the Netherlands, and France – thereby reducing the infant death count.

And Cuba touts its Healthcare as much as it does its literacy rates...these IMR measurements are government control. I really hope you wouldn't want you or your partner to feel more safe having a child in Cuba...I wouldn't.

Not saying there isn't a problem and we cant improve, but we doing aight. Ill give our Infant mortality rate a half-chest pound with a subtle "'Murica". Thanks for pushing me to know the issue a little more.

#offseason

Thanks for a reasoned response. The off season is getting very, very long...

Now back to our regularly scheduled football talk. HTTR. And I don’t exactly know how, but my heart says the Redkins will make the playoffs. And when they do, watch out, anything is possible. (Channeling my Cap’s here)