When is Enough ,Enough?

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

One last thing, and I do - strongly - believe this, if NK moves at all out of China's sway, and starts to think that maybe they could have an economy like SK, that would give us a lot of sway in terms of human rights conditions. I understand that right now NK is abysmal, but we have zero sway over that, and they use our animosity as an excuse for the impoverishment.



This was published in the normally bellicose Rodong Sinmun (NK's state controlled media)





This is huge that they published it after years of editorials and news articles declaring the necessity of nuclear NK. And it means that they are presenting a new face of information to their people.



It's a dictatorship, so it's not like the people are going to have a say, but it also puts denuclearization out as a real thing.



IF they really had down a different path, there is a reason to hope that the people of NK will also benefit, both from better economics - no sanctions - and friendlier relationship with their southern brethren. AND IF the NK's see the life of SK's that will open up huge opportunity for humane reforms.

CRed this is not the first time the little guy has referenced denuclearization to his people or the world though. This isn’t some wow moment. It is the same old same old. Also he is telling the people of NK that we too will de nuke - which Trump has absolutely no intention of doing. They are not on the same page. This is just a-lot of talk and pompous circumstance on both sides. We aren’t giving up our nukes. NK is not giving up theirs. We can all hope for denuclearization of the entire world, but u know as well as i do it aint happening. This was sadly nothing more than a photo op for both leaders to look good. Is it a first step. Sure. So is me depositing 100 dollars in my bank account on my way to a cool million.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

CRed this is not the first time the little guy has referenced denuclearization to his people or the world though. This isn’t some wow moment. It is the same old same old. Also he is telling the people of NK that we too will de nuke - which Trump has absolutely no intention of doing. They are not on the same page. This is just a-lot of talk and pompous circumstance on both sides. We aren’t giving up our nukes. NK is not giving up theirs. We can all hope for denuclearization of the entire world, but u know as well as i do it aint happening. This was sadly nothing more than a photo op for both leaders to look good. Is it a first step. Sure. So is me depositing 100 dollars in my bank account on my way to a cool million.

Wrong, I actually read Rodong Sinmun regularly. I don't know why, I don't have any attachment to Korea, I served in Germany, my exwife is from Germany, and my Dad served in Germany/Vietnam, my mom is German.

But 3 or 4 years ago I started reading the NK and SK state online press, and this is a HUGELY shift in policy and opinion pieces. I promise you, NK's haven't heard the tone in the opinions in the last 4 years ever.

I remember it was around when the Kaesong Plant was closed in 2013 that I really got interested. You can go back in the Korea threads, and see my thoughts. I promise - disregarding all of US media - the tone in NK changed drastically for the better.

standard disclaimer, until NK actually has a verifiable path in place, these good will gestures are just spectacle... It does seem to have substance behind it though.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wrong, I actually read Rodong Sinmun regularly. I don't know why, I don't have any attachment to Korea, I served in Germany, my exwife is from Germany, and my Dad served in Germany/Vietnam, my mom is German.



But 3 or 4 years ago I started reading the NK and SK state online press, and this is a HUGELY shift in policy and opinion pieces. I promise you, NK's haven't heard the tone in the opinions in the last 4 years ever.



I remember it was around when the Kaesong Plant was closed in 2013 that I really got interested. You can go back in the Korea threads, and see my thoughts. I promise - disregarding all of US media - the tone in NK changed drastically for the better.



standard disclaimer, until NK actually has a verifiable path in place, these good will gestures are just spectacle... It does seem to have substance behind it though.

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

Well seeing as how he was 21 in 2005 and didn't become supreme leader until 2011 i dont think he did. NK did, and he may be trying that tact, but he invested ALOT of his energy in promoting the right to nuclear weapons AND the need for nuclear weapons. It has been the drumbeat of his media for the last 5 years and to come to full u turn is a different tone then he has ever put before his military and his people.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well seeing as how he was 21 in 2005 and didn't become supreme leader until 2011 i dont think he did. NK did, and he may be trying that tact, but he invested ALOT of his energy in promoting the right to nuclear weapons AND the need for nuclear weapons. It has been the drumbeat of his media for the last 5 years and to come to full u turn is a different tone then he has ever put before his military and his people.

I was just questioning your second paragraph of the post i quoted. I read it as north koreans have not heard this talk before. Not sure if u meant to say ever or last four years? I should have said they not he though. Forget this guy is barely an adult sometimes. If this is indeed the first time he is down playing the need for nukes to his people though like you say than I would say -again- that it is because he is also telling his people that Trump is laying down his “guns” too. He is obviously spinning the summit to make it look like there is some sort of truce, and not just that he is laying down. I really believe at the end of the day this was plain and simply some sort of photo op for both leaders. They both go back home and say “i won - he is backing off”. But neither of them will. Sanctions get lifted when you de nuke, i will de nuke when you de nuke - it will literally morph back into a stalemate. I think the “testing “ might stop because Jung Un got something he wanted desperately- to be taken seriously- by the world - on the biggest stage - as a nuclear power that must be reckoned with. But we all know the testing wasn’t the issue it was the threat of testing becoming something more, and the threat (or the nukes) aren’t going anywhere. No way. No how.
I think we can both agree that time will tell. Though if things do not get better DT will never admit he actually accomplished nothing here other than giving Jung Un some sort of legitimacy that he so desperately craved. Hey who knows maybe that’s enough for him and he grows old quietly.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I was just questioning your second paragraph of the post i quoted. I read it as north koreans have not heard this talk before. Not sure if u meant to say ever or last four years? I should have said they not he though. Forget this guy is barely an adult sometimes. If this is indeed the first time he is down playing the need for nukes to his people I would say -again- that it is because he is also telling his people that Trump is laying down his “guns” too. He is obviously spinning the summit to make it look like there is some sort of truce, and not just that he is laying down. I really believe at the end of the day this was plain and simply some sort of photo op for both leaders. They both go back home and say “i won - he is backing off”. But neither of them will. Sanctions get lifted when you de nuke, i will de nuke when you de nuke - it will literally morph back into a stalemate. I think the “testing “ might stop because Jung Un got something he wanted desperately- to be taken seriously- by the world - on the biggest stage - as a nuclear power that must be reckoned with. But we all know the testing wasn’t the issue it was the threat of testing becoming something more, and the threat (or the nukes) aren’t going anywhere. No way. No how.
I think we can both agree that time will tell. Though if things do not get better DT will never admit he actually accomplished nothing here other than giving Jung Un some sort of legitimacy.

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

Couldn’t agree more but he obviously has a need for attention. The missiles just screamed hey look at me, but honestly I never believed the guy was going to actually nuke anyone besides the fish. Thats why Trump calling him names was always reckless imo. Once Trump started though he couldn’t walk away. His ego would never let him. So we have what we had last week - two hot heads teaching the world about peace. Lol. Trump gets to say I warned him. KJU gets to say America is leaving. Nothing really changed at all though. They got into a pissing match, kissed and made up, and we are really right back where we started.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

I agree but lets not forget he is the ruler of NK becuase he killed off his uncle and a few cousins.