When is Enough ,Enough?

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wrong, I actually read Rodong Sinmun regularly. I don't know why, I don't have any attachment to Korea, I served in Germany, my exwife is from Germany, and my Dad served in Germany/Vietnam, my mom is German.



But 3 or 4 years ago I started reading the NK and SK state online press, and this is a HUGELY shift in policy and opinion pieces. I promise you, NK's haven't heard the tone in the opinions in the last 4 years ever.



I remember it was around when the Kaesong Plant was closed in 2013 that I really got interested. You can go back in the Korea threads, and see my thoughts. I promise - disregarding all of US media - the tone in NK changed drastically for the better.



standard disclaimer, until NK actually has a verifiable path in place, these good will gestures are just spectacle... It does seem to have substance behind it though.

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

05, 07? He did not pledge to denuke?

Well seeing as how he was 21 in 2005 and didn't become supreme leader until 2011 i dont think he did. NK did, and he may be trying that tact, but he invested ALOT of his energy in promoting the right to nuclear weapons AND the need for nuclear weapons. It has been the drumbeat of his media for the last 5 years and to come to full u turn is a different tone then he has ever put before his military and his people.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Well seeing as how he was 21 in 2005 and didn't become supreme leader until 2011 i dont think he did. NK did, and he may be trying that tact, but he invested ALOT of his energy in promoting the right to nuclear weapons AND the need for nuclear weapons. It has been the drumbeat of his media for the last 5 years and to come to full u turn is a different tone then he has ever put before his military and his people.

I was just questioning your second paragraph of the post i quoted. I read it as north koreans have not heard this talk before. Not sure if u meant to say ever or last four years? I should have said they not he though. Forget this guy is barely an adult sometimes. If this is indeed the first time he is down playing the need for nukes to his people though like you say than I would say -again- that it is because he is also telling his people that Trump is laying down his “guns” too. He is obviously spinning the summit to make it look like there is some sort of truce, and not just that he is laying down. I really believe at the end of the day this was plain and simply some sort of photo op for both leaders. They both go back home and say “i won - he is backing off”. But neither of them will. Sanctions get lifted when you de nuke, i will de nuke when you de nuke - it will literally morph back into a stalemate. I think the “testing “ might stop because Jung Un got something he wanted desperately- to be taken seriously- by the world - on the biggest stage - as a nuclear power that must be reckoned with. But we all know the testing wasn’t the issue it was the threat of testing becoming something more, and the threat (or the nukes) aren’t going anywhere. No way. No how.
I think we can both agree that time will tell. Though if things do not get better DT will never admit he actually accomplished nothing here other than giving Jung Un some sort of legitimacy that he so desperately craved. Hey who knows maybe that’s enough for him and he grows old quietly.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I was just questioning your second paragraph of the post i quoted. I read it as north koreans have not heard this talk before. Not sure if u meant to say ever or last four years? I should have said they not he though. Forget this guy is barely an adult sometimes. If this is indeed the first time he is down playing the need for nukes to his people I would say -again- that it is because he is also telling his people that Trump is laying down his “guns” too. He is obviously spinning the summit to make it look like there is some sort of truce, and not just that he is laying down. I really believe at the end of the day this was plain and simply some sort of photo op for both leaders. They both go back home and say “i won - he is backing off”. But neither of them will. Sanctions get lifted when you de nuke, i will de nuke when you de nuke - it will literally morph back into a stalemate. I think the “testing “ might stop because Jung Un got something he wanted desperately- to be taken seriously- by the world - on the biggest stage - as a nuclear power that must be reckoned with. But we all know the testing wasn’t the issue it was the threat of testing becoming something more, and the threat (or the nukes) aren’t going anywhere. No way. No how.
I think we can both agree that time will tell. Though if things do not get better DT will never admit he actually accomplished nothing here other than giving Jung Un some sort of legitimacy.

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

Couldn’t agree more but he obviously has a need for attention. The missiles just screamed hey look at me, but honestly I never believed the guy was going to actually nuke anyone besides the fish. Thats why Trump calling him names was always reckless imo. Once Trump started though he couldn’t walk away. His ego would never let him. So we have what we had last week - two hot heads teaching the world about peace. Lol. Trump gets to say I warned him. KJU gets to say America is leaving. Nothing really changed at all though. They got into a pissing match, kissed and made up, and we are really right back where we started.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Couldn’t agree more but he obviously has a need for attention. The missiles just screamed hey look at me, but honestly I never believed the guy was going to actually nuke anyone besides the fish. Thats why Trump calling him names was always reckless imo. Once Trump started though he couldn’t walk away. His ego would never let him. So we have what we had last week - two hot heads teaching the world about peace. Lol. Trump gets to say I warned him. KJU gets to say America is leaving. Nothing really changed at all though. They got into a pissing match, kissed and made up, and we are really right back where we started.

But we aren't where we started. Kju put in writing that he was working towards denuclearization and he met outside of North Korea a western leader and he met with the South Korean leadership these are all things he had not done since he became president. It may be that he feels secure enough in his position to try a level of diplomacy, and it may be that this is a similar ruse to the 2005 era but it's not where we started with kju since 2011. He's never taken these steps before.

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But we aren't where we started. Kju put in writing that he was working towards denuclearization and he met outside of North Korea a western leader and he met with the South Korean leadership these are all things he had not done since he became president. It may be that he feels secure enough in his position to try a level of diplomacy, and it may be that this is a similar ruse to the 2005 era but it's not where we started with kju since 2011. He's never taken these steps before.

KJU is back in North Korea as dictator still with his full arsenal of nukes. We are exactly where we started. You call them steps. I call them a show. Who blinks first now? Who budges? Do you actually believe that KJU is going to get rid of his babies? I believe he might say he will. Who is going to go in and find out? What plans are in place to “verify” this? No offense to Pompeo. Lol. But that is sort of a key element. I hate to be a pessimist but this was a dog and pony show on both ends C Red. And you know what, IDC, because as long as Trump and KJU can both stop with their bravado and provocative bullshit the World will go on.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But we aren't where we started. Kju put in writing that he was working towards denuclearization and he met outside of North Korea a western leader and he met with the South Korean leadership these are all things he had not done since he became president. It may be that he feels secure enough in his position to try a level of diplomacy, and it may be that this is a similar ruse to the 2005 era but it's not where we started with kju since 2011. He's never taken these steps before.

So exactly what is he going to do,everyone talks about "denuclearization" but the truth is his program was failing ,his biggest test site collapsed,his tech knowledge is old and not up to date,there was no proof non that any of nk missiles could even come close to this country.What did trump get?We stop war games and we have put out allies S.Korea and Japan at risk......my one big question is how many copyrights did Ivanka get this time?

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I admit i dont get the whole legitimacy issue, the guy is the ruler of nk, no one questions that. His family has ruled nk for 70 years.

I would understand it if there was a government in exile or if the UN didnt recognize nk as a state but there isnt and it does.

Not really a discussion point just me saying nk is a recognizrd country and not a soul on this planet thinks its ruler is anyone but kju.

I agree but lets not forget he is the ruler of NK becuase he killed off his uncle and a few cousins.