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When is Enough ,Enough?

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Old 06-19-2018, 08:20 PM   #1
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?

Ok. Investigation acknowledged.


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Compared to the wall to wall splash of liberal propaganda on the immigration front, you would think this might get a sliver headline on CNN's front page, but I had to use the search function keyword "Strzok" to find their article, to atleast be able to claim fairness. Instead you hear the liberal's all to familiar cry of "but the {hyperventilated breathing} children {heavy sigh}"
Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.

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Remember when DACA was all about the Children until it turned out the children were now adults. Now liberals are done with them.
False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.

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(on immigration, moderate democrats - if there are any - need to break ranks, join with moderate republicans and pass a bill that fixes the issues. It's not complicated, but Democrats think they are going to ride the cry of save the children to the ballot box. They just have to find the right group of children. and they may have with this latest propaganda blitz)
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Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.
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Old 06-19-2018, 09:00 PM   #2
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Ok. Investigation acknowledged.



Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.



False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.

Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.[/QUOTE]

On your comment on CNN, i hear what you are saying, but I would add this, hollywood and the media elites around it feed the stream of liberal talking points throughout the airwaves. So while the obvious politicos channels biases are overt, the mass streaming culture has a heavy subset of the liberal progressive viewpoint.

I strongly agree about the bipartisanship statements.
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Old 06-21-2018, 05:01 PM   #3
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Re: When is Enough ,Enough?

He knows the end is coming.He's losing it.




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Meltdown in Duluth: Trump yells at protesters and 'elites' at rally
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President Trump at a rally in Duluth, Minn. (Photo: Fox News)
Facing resistance from both Republicans and Democrats as well as condemnation from citizens all over the United States, President Trump felt a need to be loved again, so he did what he always does when he needs love — he left his house and did a campaign rally. On Wednesday night, it was in Duluth, Minn., where a crowd turned out to cheer their man. Well, most of them cheered. Twice, Trump paused while security forces ejected protesters. “Get ’em outta here!” Trump roared. While the second one was being given the bum’s rush, Trump sneered, “Go home to your mommy, darling! Get him outta here. Out! Was that a man or a woman? Because he needs a haircut more than I do!” It was like a 1960s flashback, with law-and-order politicians like George Wallace yelling about long-haired hippies.

Trump’s anger at the protesters was revealing. I’ve watched nearly all of his rallies, and he has never been this intent on seeing any sign of protest erased. He really lingered on watching the protesting people being removed from his sight — he stared silently, glaring. It was as though Trump resented any disruption in the last place he can get unconditional love anymore — he feels beleaguered in the current state of his presidency.


At another point, his stream-of-consciousness riffing led him to this nugget about his perceived enemies: “They always call the other side ‘the elites.’ Why are they the elite? I have a much better apartment than they do. I’m smarter than they are. I’m richer than they are. I became president and they didn’t.” Aside from being the sort of childish brag a child would be embarrassed to be caught saying, does someone actually need to tell Trump it’s his side that calls liberals “the elite”?

And when I refer to “his side,” I of course include Fox News, which was airing the rally. Indeed, it was the only cable news outlet to do so, and Fox really wanted you to know it. The channel put this unusual chyron onscreen beneath Trump: “Trump Rally Live & Only on Fox News. Other Networks Ignore Presidential Rally.” I’ll give you the rough translation of that: “Fearless leader speaks: State television must broadcast.”
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