Redskins Offseason Thread

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Interesting stuff here from PFF on Inside LB play last year. Mason Foster was rated as the most productive pass rusher from the Inside LB spot. Martrell Spaight was the most efficient run stopper in the league from this spot. And Zach Vigil was 3rd best in passer rating allowed when targeted.

I think all of those things make sense - Spaight is know as a thumper and Vigil did surprisingly well in coverage last year, he acquitted himself well.

The problem is Spaight may be good against the run but he's a disaster in coverage, and Vigil may have defended the pass well but not well enough to avoid being heavily targeted by QBs.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...m_campaign=nfl

I do think we have a really solid ILB squad:

-Brown is a beast, if he can fix his coverage flukes (and I think he has the skill to do so), he can be a really great player

-I've said times and times again I think Foster is underrated, he's a true all around LB, more than decent coverage guy, solid tackler, good blitzer, tough mofo... love this player !

-Vigil played well last season, I'd be really curious to see what he can do behind a healthy and efficient DL !

-I respect Spaight because he's a good tackler, but that's about it, so far the game just seems to be a bit too fast for him (wether it's physical skill or reading plays...).

[jamf]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

I do think we have a really solid ILB squad:

-Brown is a beast, if he can fix his coverage flukes (and I think he has the skill to do so), he can be a really great player

-I've said times and times again I think Foster is underrated, he's a true all around LB, more than decent coverage guy, solid tackler, good blitzer, tough mofo... love this player !

-Vigil played well last season, I'd be really curious to see what he can do behind a healthy and efficient DL !

-I respect Spaight because he's a good tackler, but that's about it, so far the game just seems to be a bit too fast for him (wether it's physical skill or reading plays...).

I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. He has good speed and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by jamf

I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. He has good speed and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy.

We agree on the last part.

But I maintain that Vigil is a real solid back up and will do the job when asked, he has very decent physical skills and could be helped by good DL play.

As for Foster, shoulders are a fragile articulation, but are fixed well. I dislocated mines 11 times (8 and 3) and have had absolutely no issue after my 2 surgeries, I came back stronger and more confident than before, started Boxing. I know a lot of guys that had the same surgery, including football players... and we didn't have access to the bests of bests (surgeons, rehab facilities etc...) like Foster does.
Nothing to be worried about yet.

As Chico said, don't forget about Josh "Hybrid" Harvey-Clemons, and 6th rounder Shaun Dion Hamilton whom Cooley thought pretty highly of in his breakdown.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

We agree on the last part.

But I maintain that Vigil is a real solid back up and will do the job when asked, he has very decent physical skills and could be helped by good DL play.

As for Foster, shoulders are a fragile articulation, but are fixed well. I dislocated mines 11 times (8 and 3) and have had absolutely no issue after my 2 surgeries, I came back stronger and more confident than before, started Boxing. I know a lot of guys that had the same surgery, including football players... and we didn't have access to the bests of bests (surgeons, rehab facilities etc...) like Foster does.
Nothing to be worried about yet.

As Chico said, don't forget about Josh "Hybrid" Harvey-Clemons, and 6th rounder Shaun Dion Hamilton whom Cooley thought pretty highly of in his breakdown.

This is the guy they envision as a sub package ...trying to play him as the Browns replacement against the pass. Harvey-Clemons is one to watch.

Because of Hamilton injury history, they might just bring him along, not show too much and stash on practice squad. Really just depends on his Health.

IMO, its gonna be Virgil vs Spaight for one spot, unless Harvey-Clemons completely shits the bed preseason.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is the guy they envision as a sub package ...trying to play him as the Browns replacement against the pass. Harvey-Clemons is one to watch.

Agree. H-C was 217 lbs when drafted. He's now listed at 230 lbs, so he's less of a tweener now. He also has height and length to go with 35" arms and huge hands.

If he's ready to play more, he could definitely make passes harder to complete.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by jamf

I think the ILB position will be a problem this year.

Brown is awesome against the run. He isn't very good in coverage but I don't care, he needs to be going after the ball carrier at all times.

Foster is coming back from a shoulder injury that put him on IR last year.
It's risky banking on him playing 16 games this year so we need backups.

I don't agree with what has been said about Spaight, Him and Brown are the only linebackers that made plays in the backfield. He has good speed and is aggressive. Now his angles to the ball carrier suck. he is too aggressive at time. He is a ST coverage guy and a last resort backup.

Vigil will be coaching HS football in September but will be back around week8 when players start falling apart..

Buchanon will be our backup ILB and he is coming off an ACL injury, Yikes.

We really need Foster and Nicholson to stay healthy.

Huh? Spaight does not have good speed. Speed is not a matter of opinion. It is a measurable fact. The fact is that Spaight is slow for an NFL LB. He has been timed consistently at between 4.80 and 4.88 in the forty.

Vigil did a good job for us last season. I think he has a shot at making the season opening roster.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Huh? Spaight does not have good speed. Speed is not a matter of opinion. It is a measurable fact. The fact is that Spaight is slow for an NFL LB. He has been timed consistently at between 4.80 and 4.88 in the forty.

Vigil did a good job for us last season. I think he has a shot at making the season opening roster.

Yop, in comparison Zach Vigil (6'2" 240) ran a 4,67 at his combine. That's faster than Foster (4,75) who makes plays in the backfield and is a good cover LB.