Arrington: 'I could have handled things a bit better'

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by PSUSkinsFan21

See, now this is exactly the SH!T I am talking about. First of all, you fail to recognize that as fans we also know what we see on the field. There is nothing "filtered" or "skewed" about what you can see with your own two eyes on gameday. As a result, it is not "absurd" to question the coaches' personnel decisions.

Second, Joe Gibbs (as much as I love him) is NOT "the Team". No one person, no one coach, no one player is "the Team." You cast aside anyone else who believes Lavar should have been the starter as someone who isn't choosing to back the team. The absurdity of your argument is its hypocracy. It's ok for you to back Gibbs (one man) above all else, and that should be equated with backing the skins, but those of us who back Lavar (one man) can't possibly be behind the Skins as a team? How's that?

Finally, there is no reason for your mandate of "Pick one to keep or kick off: gibbs or lavar?" In case you haven't noticed, they are both on the same TEAM. They are both striving for the same goals. You're assumption that the Team, the coach and the player can't coexist together is rediculous. The fact that they can explains how I can be a fan of the Redskins, Joe Gibbs, and Lavar Arrington without conflict. How you fail to see that is unbelievable to me.

Therefore, as a second, and hopefully final, plea. STOP calling people's fanaticism for the Redskins into question simply because your opinion differs from theirs as to whether it's possible to question personnel decisions and still love your team to no end. Nothing is going to enrage people more than having their being a fan called into question on this site, and I don't see that as a fight we need to have AGAIN.

Like you, I am entitled to my personal opinion as I stated in the post - and yeah (in my personal opinion, because that's what all these posts really are) without gibbs there is no team - there are no 4 wins - and lastly the attitude and moral of this team would be SHIT. I'd take not having Lavar, just as long as it meant having gibbs. And also I think part of the argument is that lavar was not actually putting the team first - he was putting his playing time ahead of team goals - you have to remember that he was complaining when the team was performing well (as a team).

And if you want to be enraged for me posting my opinion - then I'd call that HYPOCRISY.

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[That Guy]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Like you, I am entitled to my personal opinion as I stated in the post - and yeah (in my personal opinion, because that's what all these posts really are) without gibbs there is no team - there are no 4 wins - and lastly the attitude and moral of this team would be SHIT. I'd take not having Lavar, just as long as it meant having gibbs. And also I think part of the argument is that lavar was not actually putting the team first - he was putting his playing time ahead of team goals - you have to remember that he was complaining when the team was performing well (as a team).

And if you want to be enraged for me posting my opinion - then I'd call that HYPOCRISY.

hate to multipost after missing convos, its a bad habit :P maybe I should drop out to stay current...

I think you missed the point of PSU's post, he's generally been saying you can have an opinion, but don't piss on other people (saying they aren't fans, they're idiots, they're opinions suck or that they aren't allowed to have them).

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Like you, I am entitled to my personal opinion as I stated in the post - and yeah (in my personal opinion, because that's what all these posts really are) without gibbs there is no team - there are no 4 wins - and lastly the attitude and moral of this team would be SHIT. I'd take not having Lavar, just as long as it meant having gibbs. And also I think part of the argument is that lavar was not actually putting the team first - he was putting his playing time ahead of team goals - you have to remember that he was complaining when the team was performing well (as a team).

And if you want to be enraged for me posting my opinion - then I'd call that HYPOCRISY.

You know, you people crack me up. You argue the same point back and forth. Peoples words are getting turned around to suit arguementative points. You say LaVar is not the TEAM, you are right. But Gibbs is not the TEAM either, GW is not the TEAM, Portis is not the TEAM. It is a TEAM from top to bottom. there is no picking gibbs or lavar, thats rediculous. the defense was playing chicago, Dallas, and then Seattle, which seattle took advantage of Holdmans side too with a couple of long runds. then Denver, KC, both took advantage of the weakside. Look, are you going to argue that Holdman is better? Are you serious. that is just obviously wrong.

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

You know, you people crack me up. You argue the same point back and forth. Peoples words are getting turned around to suit arguementative points. You say LaVar is not the TEAM, you are right. But Gibbs is not the TEAM either, GW is not the TEAM, Portis is not the TEAM. It is a TEAM from top to bottom. there is no picking gibbs or lavar, thats rediculous. the defense was playing chicago, Dallas, and then Seattle, which seattle took advantage of Holdmans side too with a couple of long runds. then Denver, KC, both took advantage of the weakside. Look, are you going to argue that Holdman is better? Are you serious. that is just obviously wrong.

Bottomline you 56er's are just that - Arrington fanatics. Even when he says one thing - you 56er's say he was forced to say it. No matter what he says or does, he will be a god to you guys. That's my point - you guys don't have a clue and yeah i'm calling out your loyalty to the team - because you are looking after another player's best interest at the expense of the team. I can question your loyalty to the team if that is how i see it, it's MY OPINION - no one else's - and if you feel enraged or whatever because of my post - then you have issues. If you are letting my post affect you that much, then I must be pushing the right buttons - and there may be questions that you need to ask yourself. You can attack me for my opinion - but at the same time you better know that what you post is also fair game. And I will call it like I see - no holds barred. If you guys take offense to me calling out your loyalty to the team, then so be it - i'm not holding back my opinions for no one. I mean it's even in your member name - 56 fanatic.

And yeah i think without gibbs, this year and last year - there would not be a team and we would have you ramsey, arrington fanatics running wild and out of control. I am fans of players,but first I'm a fan of the redskins - gibbs is the team, he controls the attitude, direction, and what happens on the field - without him, there is no team. If think differently, then let me know why he isn't the team...

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Bottomline you 56er's are just that - Arrington fanatics. Even when he says one thing - you 56er's say he was forced to say it. No matter what he says or does, he will be a god to you guys. That's my point - you guys don't have a clue and yeah i'm calling out your loyalty to the team - because you are looking after another player's best interest at the expense of the team. I can question your loyalty to the team if that is how i see it, it's MY OPINION - no one else's - and if you feel enraged or whatever because of my post - then you have issues. If you are letting my post affect you that much, then I must be pushing the right buttons - and there may be questions that you need to ask yourself. You can attack me for my opinion - but at the same time you better know that what you post is also fair game. And I will call it like I see - no holds barred. If you guys take offense to me calling out your loyalty to the team, then so be it - i'm not holding back my opinions for no one. I mean it's even in your member name - 56 fanatic.

And yeah i think without gibbs, this year and last year - there would not be a team and we would have you ramsey, arrington fanatics running wild and out of control. I am fans of players,but first I'm a fan of the redskins - gibbs is the team, he controls the attitude, direction, and what happens on the field - without him, there is no team. If think differently, then let me know why he isn't the team...

there's a difference between debating and attacking... and so far I think you're the only one that's thrown insults and questioned people's loyalty, so... pot, kettle, etc.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by That Guy

there's a difference between debating and attacking... and so far I think you're the only one that's thrown insults and questioned people's loyalty, so... pot, kettle, etc.

No i havent questioned anyones loyalites others have but people are saying us 56 supporters are not true fans well lets turn that around...childish ..HELL YES it is thats why it should have been dropped ..but u wanna keep beating the drum and wont let it drop i happen to belive in what 56 is posting so i thought i would join in.... its all dumb we should have let this go along time ago but people wanna keep up with the i told u so's and all that well ...we have opinions too....

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

No i havent questioned anyones loyalites others have but people are saying us 56 supporters are not true fans well lets turn that around...childish ..HELL YES it is thats why it should have been dropped ..but u wanna keep beating the drum and wont let it drop i happen to belive in what 56 is posting so i thought i would join in.... its all dumb we should have let this go along time ago but people wanna keep up with the i told u so's and all that well ...we have opinions too....

dude, read my post more carefully, I was responding to funandgunner, not you :P he was the one that brought crap out...

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by That Guy

dude, read my post more carefully, I was responding to funandgunner, not you :P he was the one that brought crap out...

ok that guy sorry look we have a big game lets be happy and enjoy... peace

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by That Guy

there's a difference between debating and attacking... and so far I think you're the only one that's thrown insults and questioned people's loyalty, so... pot, kettle, etc.

Let's get to the true heart of the matter. The closest thing I can compare the whole fan loyalty to Arrington (or to any other player for that matter) versus the coaches is: a father of a pop warner player. A father is a fan and supporter of his son's team to a certain point. That same father of course is looking at his son's best interest first and foremost, so if his son gets his playing time cut then the father is going to be questioning why and more than likely will think it is unfair. So that father is a fan of the son's team to a certain extent, as long as it doesn't go against what is best for his son. The father will wear the team's colors, go to games, and root for the team and other players - but only because his son is on that team.

This situation reminds me of that father loyalty. Arrington is a grown ass man, he doesn't need anyone talking or sticking up for him. Let him play and earn his playing time, if the coaches play him that's their perrogative because the coaches are looking at the best interest of the team first and foremost - not just arrington's. If you don't think the coaches are looking at the best interest of the team, then that would be another argument... because if that were the case, then I would ask you how they weren't looking at the team first other than this arrington situation.

I don't know about you, but I kinda enjoy this type of argument because unlike some of you - what you see as a argument(verbal fight), I see as getting to the heart of the matter and getting to the truth. And unlike some others on this site, I will say what I really want because it is what I really feel. My intention in posting any of this was not to insult or upset anyone (myself included) because I know that everyone here is a redskins fan. But while I say that, I question how much of a redskins fan you all are - the only thing I am asking: are you an arrington fan first (like the father above) or are a redskins fan first ?

This argument will continue because I am not getting anything that really is of any substance and the only responses to the questions I am asking are : don't question fan's loyalty and I am insulting other fans. Sorry if you feel like I am enraging or insulting you by questioning your team loyalty - but if you are a fan of the team (first and foremost above being an Arrington fan), then tell me how you are (but first look at what the father does above for this son's team... wear the team's colors, go to the games, root for the team).

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Let's get to the true heart of the matter. The closest thing I can compare the whole fan loyalty to Arrington (or to any other player for that matter) versus the coaches is: a father of a pop warner player. A father is a fan and supporter of his son's team to a certain point. That same father of course is looking at his son's best interest first and foremost, so if his son gets his playing time cut then the father is going to be questioning why and more than likely will think it is unfair. So that father is a fan of the son's team to a certain extent, as long as it doesn't go against what is best for his son. The father will wear the team's colors, go to games, and root for the team and other players - but only because his son is on that team.

This situation reminds me of that father loyalty. Arrington is a grown ass man, he doesn't need anyone talking or sticking up for him. Let him play and earn his playing time, if the coaches play him that's their perrogative because the coaches are looking at the best interest of the team first and foremost - not just arrington's. If you don't think the coaches are looking at the best interest of the team, then that would be another argument... because if that were the case, then I would ask you how they weren't looking at the team first other than this arrington situation.

I don't know about you, but I kinda enjoy this type of argument because unlike some of you - what you see as a argument(verbal fight), I see as getting to the heart of the matter and getting to the truth. And unlike some others on this site, I will say what I really want because it is what I really feel. My intention in posting any of this was not to insult or upset anyone (myself included) because I know that everyone here is a redskins fan. But while I say that, I question how much of a redskins fan you all are - the only thing I am asking: are you an arrington fan first (like the father above) or are a redskins fan first ?

This argument will continue because I am not getting anything that really is of any substance and the only responses to the questions I am asking are : don't question fan's loyalty and I am insulting other fans. Sorry if you feel like I am enraging or insulting you by questioning your team loyalty - but if you are a fan of the team (first and foremost above being an Arrington fan), then tell me how you are (but first look at what the father does above for this son's team... wear the team's colors, go to the games, root for the team).

you'll be arguing with yourself then cause it looks like this substance you're looking for is either extremely vague or completely meaningless... it seems like you're just looking for a bunch of people to agree with you and say they're fans of the team first so you can tell them to shut up. Maybe its a bad question if there's only one answer you'll accept and you already know what it is.

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by That Guy

you'll be arguing with yourself then cause it looks like this substance you're looking for is either extremely vague or completely meaningless... it seems like you're just looking for a bunch of people to agree with you and say they're fans of the team first so you can tell them to shut up. Maybe its a bad question if there's only one answer you'll accept and you already know what it is.

I am not looking to accept and expect one answer, just an answer that seems reasonable - do you have one that sounds good ? Cause no one's able to say anything reasonable - and i'm not looking for people to agree - that's why I posted what I posted - I know not a lot of people are going to disagree because everyone appears to be sensitive when I question your loyalty to the redskins, because I think this is what all this is about. I won't tiptoe around it and I won't accept any answers that tiptoe and attempt to go around what I asked. Like your responses, you haven't responded to anything - just criticized my questions and how I'm asking them. If I have struck a cord with someone like yourself then I think I am getting somewhere. You guys want to be happy go lucky - that's all good - then don't respond to this. And I don't want people to just shut up - if you have a good response to, I think are, reasonable questions then speak up - but you don't have to say anything that I want to hear - just what you think and I will agree if I think it sounds right or I won't - but one of my points is you don't have to say anything on here to make anyone happy - just the truth...

... but I still haven't seen a good response from you or anyone else, refuting my argument - just a bunch of don't do this or you can't say that or I want a certain kind of response.

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by That Guy

there's a difference between debating and attacking... and so far I think you're the only one that's thrown insults and questioned people's loyalty, so... pot, kettle, etc.

... and trust me, if you see that I'm the only one that has been attacking others or throwing insults around - you must have selective vision. Almost everyone that has posted on here, has attacked another post in one way or another.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by funandgunner

Bottomline you 56er's are just that - Arrington fanatics. Even when he says one thing - you 56er's say he was forced to say it. No matter what he says or does, he will be a god to you guys. That's my point - you guys don't have a clue and yeah i'm calling out your loyalty to the team - because you are looking after another player's best interest at the expense of the team. I can question your loyalty to the team if that is how i see it, it's MY OPINION - no one else's - and if you feel enraged or whatever because of my post - then you have issues. If you are letting my post affect you that much, then I must be pushing the right buttons - and there may be questions that you need to ask yourself. You can attack me for my opinion - but at the same time you better know that what you post is also fair game. And I will call it like I see - no holds barred. If you guys take offense to me calling out your loyalty to the team, then so be it - i'm not holding back my opinions for no one. I mean it's even in your member name - 56 fanatic.

And yeah i think without gibbs, this year and last year - there would not be a team and we would have you ramsey, arrington fanatics running wild and out of control. I am fans of players,but first I'm a fan of the redskins - gibbs is the team, he controls the attitude, direction, and what happens on the field - without him, there is no team. If think differently, then let me know why he isn't the team...

I may be posting this really late, but you seem like the kind of person that wants to argue so I'm sure you will read this eventually. You questioning my loyalty to the Redskins is rediculous. Because I feel one player is better than another and should play, boy thats really smart!! If I thought Betts was better than Portis, I would say it. You have got to be kidding me. I have been a fan(DIE HARD) fan for 31 years. I have always had opinions of who I THOUGHT was better. You and everyone else questions moves the teams make, and dont say that you dont. Its part of being a fan. The reason I have 56 in my name is because I watched LaVar at Penn State, and thought was excited he was drafted by Washington. I also watched Taylor through college, so I am a huge Taylor fan. Just because I like certain players does not mean I am not a team fan. Hell, I love all of Redskins. I guess I should change my screen name to 76fanatic, that way I wont have to listen to mindless little rants from people like you questioning my loyalty to this team.